Who do you WANT the Flames Starting Goalie To Be Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[EldrickOnIce]

Anything to do with the Pens hinges on Fleury.
If he won't waive his NM and carefully selects his NT teams, Murray is absolutely in play. Pen would have to offer LV a lot not to take him, will have to deal him elsewhere, or buy out Fleury if so inclined. Will be really interesting.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jayswin

The Pens aren't going to be held over a barrel at this point. They're shaping up to be in a unique position of having two incredibly desirable goaltending assets with knowledge around the league that one is for sure getting dealt.

I want the Flames to get one of these guys, but there will be interest, the Pens are now in a very good position to deal, simply because both assets are desirable as number ones on any number of teams.

It doesn't change the fact that the goalie market is severely weighted to the buyer. Vegas can (and will) have one of them for free if no trade is reached. Every team knows that, so as good as MAF or Murray might be, every team knows that a 3rd round draft pick for one of the two is miles better than what they're about to get from Vegas.

MAF stock hasn't risen IMO, he does this all the time (and plays poorly regularly as well). Teams aren't looking at 32 year old MAF and just deciding to pay out the nose because he was good in the playoffs.

The best the Pens can hope for is a bidding war. Based on who needs a goaltending and the remaining availability of Bishop and other potential starters, it's extremely unlikely that it gets that rich.

[mikephoen]

When did Springs1 start posting about the Flames?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Anything to do with the Pens hinges on Fleury.
If he won't waive his NM and carefully selects his NT teams, Murray is absolutely in play. Pen would have to offer LV a lot not to take him, will have to deal him elsewhere, or buy out Fleury if so inclined. Will be really interesting.

I'm not sure of the buy out rule , but if there is a buy-out before the expansion draft ,there is a chance that Fleury and his agent could demand to be bought out or stay in Pitt. If Fleury continues to have a good playoff run, he could then get buy-out money and then a new contract without a hefty discount from another team. Could maybe end up with buy-out money plus a new 3-4 year contract with some good $'s.

[EldrickOnIce]

The buyout window starts on June 15th or 48 hours after the Cup is awarded, whichever is later.
Expansion draft list submitted June 17.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

The buyout window starts on June 15th or 48 hours after the Cup is awarded, whichever is later.
Expansion draft list submitted June 17.

If that's the case it will be interesting to see what the Pens do if they go deep in the Stanley Cup final - could only have a few days to figure out their Goaltending .

[Vinny01]

If Murray is someone the Pens would trade Dallas just got an amazing trade chip last night thanks to the lottery

[Anduril]

Whoever we end up getting, it's basically guaranteed that the fan base is going to turn on some point. Realistically almost all goalies who aren't part of a Stanley Cup contending team showed major lapses throughout the season as the rest of the team wasn't good enough to cover for it. Dubnyk near the end of the season, Lundqvist in the middle, Price in the middle, Bishop/Vasilevsky, Andersen and Allen in the beginning.

The hope of getting a rock who's stable from October to May is probably unrealistic without getting lucky with a Talbot or Bobrovsky. Can only hope that we have somebody who's able to put in more good showings than a 3rd of the season like Elliot, a strong backup either in Johnson or Gillies. Hoping for the long term in either Gillies or Parson it's probably best to find a way to get a veteran guy like MAF or Bishop ideally on a short term deal if possible.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Murray is someone the Pens would trade Dallas just got an amazing trade chip last night thanks to the lottery

This isn't the best draft to use as trade chips. The pens will want a lot more than this year's first and I thought no the flames could put together a better package by including one of our goalie prospects.

I've been saying for a while that I could see the pens trading Murray and the Flames landing him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Poe969

This isn't the best draft to use as trade chips. The pens will want a lot more than this year's first and I thought no the flames could put together a better package by including one of our goalie prospects.

I've been saying for a while that I could see the pens trading Murray and the Flames landing him.

Meh is the 16th pick and Gillies worth more than the 3rd pick in the draft? I think the 3rd pick is better value and in most years is worth more than Murray but not this year.

[VilleN]

Yup, Guuar... you are out to lunch.


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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by guuar

Fleury DOES NOT want to come to Calgary. If Calgary was on the list of teams he would have been a Flame at the draft last year. I'm certain Treliving made the same offer for Fleury as he did for Bishop. You'd think Fleury would be all over Calgary as his destination given that there are very few teams looking for a goalie like himself.

You speak with great certainty about things you cannot know for certain. It's a poor technique if you are actually attempting to convince others that your viewpoint is correct

[guuar]

Read what I said.

Treliving had two deals in place at the 2016 NHL Entry Draft.

1. #6 Overall Pick for Matt Murray and Derek Pouliot.

2. #6 Overall Pick for Ben Bishop and Jonathan Drouin.

Both those deals were BEFORE they knew Tkachuk was going to drop #6. Both those deals fell through as a result.

Both those deals at the time were perfectly fair value for the #6 overall pick.

I ask again, what has Treliving done for this team? Everyone asserts he is a great GM but he really hasn't made one single awesome trade or signing.

Two years after the Hamilton trade it's very clear Calgary has lost that trade. Boston picks up a Top 4D man as well as a legit top line ring wing prospect. Hamilton would need to end up as a legit #1 Dman for that trade to end up being considered a good trade.

He trades a 2nd round pick for Brian Elliot. Even if the 2nd round pick ends up being a bust it was a deal that never should have been made. James Reimer was at least equally as good as Elliot and have no draft picks attached.

UFA/RFA signings like Bouma and Brouwer were horrible. Hell not buying out Wideman was equally as stupid as Feaster Signing him in the first place.

Fact is he has made a lot of desperation moves in an attempt to patch and bandaid this team into what he views as a contending team.

His draft record is at this point disappointing. He had little choice to draft Bennett at the time. I still think Bennett is going to break out to be a 20-25 goal 1st/2nd line center in 2017-2018. He had Tkachuk absolutely fall into his lap. When you take the BPA it has nothing to do with your hockey IQ or drafting ability.

Feaster taking Monahan is a prime example. At the time there were many that thought Nikushkin might be the best choice instead of Monahan. There were even some fans saying we should draft Shinkaruk at #6.

Feaster listened to the scouts and in turn made some extremely ballsy moves that are going to pay off next year when Jankowski scores 20+ as a rookie playing 3rd line minutes.

What has Treliving done? Like I said he's made a trade that is a wash and another that was horrible. He is stubborn.

He sees the player he wants to target and he will do what it takes to get that player with reason. Hamilton was not 3 early picks at first either. He talked himself into that to stop Hamilton from going to Edmonton.

Right now I would gladly take Brandon Carlo and Zach Senyshyn instead of Hamilton.

Carlo was a Top 4 D in his rookie season and Zach Senyshyn is a top right wing prospect scoring 45 goals a year in junior.

Everyone says our needs are a #1RW and #4D well news flash we gave both up in that Hamilton trade.

The reason Treliving hasn't re-signed is because management is objectively examining the moves he's made. Quite frankly, there are many moves that he boldly took that are paying off.

[guuar]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You speak with great certainty about things you cannot know for certain. It's a poor technique if you are actually attempting to convince others that your viewpoint is correct

Has nothing to do with Fleury coming here or not. The Flames never made any offer to acquire Fleury. Read what I said. Treliving was targeting before he won a Stanley Cup. Everybody knows the Flames and Penguins weren't good trading partners for MAF as there was no significant asset that made sense.

#6 overall for Fleury would never work. Nobody outside hardcore Penguins fans would agree that #6 overall for Fleury was even a remote possibility.

However.

#6 overall for Matt Murray and Derek Pouliot certain makes a world of sense.

Calgary acquires that #1 goalie and a future top 4D that they need.

Both trades for Bishop and Murray fell to crap when Tkachuk fell to us.

[guuar]

And FYI the Flames nor Treliving never had any intention of bringing back Elliot for another season.

The plan back at the 2016 NHL Entry draft was to acquire a goalie as a 1 year stop gap in order to revisit Ben Bishop as a UFA or forcing the penguins to trade Murray.

If they were sold on Elliot they could have locked him up during or prior to the season for $4.5m a year on a short to mid term deal. Waiting for the playoffs just makes no sense.

There is no best or worst case scenario waiting until the playoffs are over.

Elliot either plays lights out and takes us to the WCSF or WSF and his salary demand increases to $5.5 to $6.0M. Alternatively, if he ####s the bed you aren't going to be able to sign him for $1.0M let alone that $4.5M that was previously mentioned. The fans nor ownership would tolerate that.

The fact they willingly attached that 3rd round pick was reason to believe Elliot was only a 1 term goalie.

Hence I say this again, the only two goalies being targeted are Bishop or Murray.

[AC]

Originally Posted by guuar

Treliving had two deals in place at the 2016 NHL Entry Draft.

1. #6 Overall Pick for Matt Murray and Derek Pouliot.

2. #6 Overall Pick for Ben Bishop and Jonathan Drouin.

Source?

[Enoch Root]

guuar:

You don't know that those deals were on the table. Stop pretending you do or else show some sources.

Also, suggesting any two options were the only two options is flat out wrong,

You are making incorrect assumptions and then drawing unreasonable conclusions from those assumptions, and then extrapolating ridiculous theories from there.

And not only that but you're doing all that with a 'I am right and anyone who disagrees is stupid' attitude.

Absolutely the worst posting style there is. Worse than childish trolls.

[AC]

Seems a lot like Gaudreauvertime.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AC

Seems a lot like Gaudreauvertime.

This guy is no where near as measured and well spoken as Gaudreauvertime. This is more ricardodw than Gaudreauvertime.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by guuar

Read what I said.

Treliving had two deals in place at the 2016 NHL Entry Draft.

1. #6 Overall Pick for Matt Murray and Derek Pouliot.

2. #6 Overall Pick for Ben Bishop and Jonathan Drouin.

Prove it.

Both those deals at the time were perfectly fair value for the #6 overall pick.

Both those deals would have been massive overpays for the #6 pick. We know this by tracking the value of trades for picks over the past number of years.