Fire Gulutzan/Give him Coach of the year All Purpose Thread

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Giordano has looked terrible most of the season regardless of who he has been paired with.

His mental game has been terrible, bad timing for penalties, poor shot attempts, poor passing.

I'd roll with Hamilton and Brodie on the top pairing and just see what happens for a game. Giordano is definitely not getting it done.

Interesting. I'll say this for your idea it's a hell of a lot better than having Gio and Wideman on top pairing. If we went with your idea, are you thinking Jokki with Gio for 2nd pairing? Thats what i would do. Wideman to press box .

I was fine with Gio contract when first signed because i thought the 2020 CBA would take care of the last few years. Now i think we need to get out of it as soon as possible. Gio is going to end up on 2nd pairing sooner than later, by 2020 he could be on the 3rd pairing. $6.75 million is way to much to pay a 2nd pairing d-man.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Interesting. I'll say this for your idea it's a hell of a lot better than having Gio and Wideman on top pairing. If we went with your idea, are you thinking Jokki with Gio for 2nd pairing? Thats what i would do. Wideman to press box .

I was fine with Gio contract when first signed because i thought the 2020 CBA would take care of the last few years. Now i think we need to get out of it as soon as possible. Gio is going to end up on 2nd pairing sooner than later, by 2020 he could be on the 3rd pairing. $6.75 million is way to much to pay a 2nd pairing d-man.

Yes, I would go with the following to see how it works:

Brodie - Hamilton
Jokipakka - Giordano
Engelland - Kulak





Wideman

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

As coach Sutter always said, your best players have to be your best players.
Flames best players have been brutal. That's almost exclusively on them.

This is 100% why the Flames are off to a poor start. The big 3 D are not getting it done and neither are our 2 best forwards.

My suggestion is load up for a few games. Play Brodie exclusively with Hamilton. Let the pair develop chemistry and see where it goes. That could be our top pair for the next 4-10 years.

Either try Brouwer with Monahan and Gaudreau or try Gaudreau with Bennett and Brouwer. Put the 2 highest paid wingers together with one of the young centre's and see if they can get some chemistry. M

Okay Tkachuk with one of Bennett or Monahan. I would like to see the Flames build chemistry with their top prospect and one of the 2 top centre's on the team (for the future)

Keep Backlund and Frolik together. They work keep it going

Play Chaisson on the 4th line where he belongs.

Next game I roll with this

Gaudreau-Monahan-Brouwer
Tkachuk-Bennett-Versteeg
Ferland-Backlund-Frolik
Bouma-Stajan-Chaisson

Brodie-Hamilton
Giordano-Wideman
Jokipakka-Engellend

Elliott

[Nabber]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Brodie-Hamilton

It's crazy that I don't remember ever seeing this pairing together, even just once.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

As coach Sutter always said, your best players have to be your best players.
Flames best players have been brutal. That's almost exclusively on them.

That's still a bit of a cop out in my opinion. I mean yeah, in the context of one game, it makes total sense. But when you are talking about it happening most games, it's probably more of a symptom than the problem.

The real question is why haven't the Flames "best" players been the best players for the majority of the games? I'm not going to pin it all on coaching, but it is one possibility among many. I can't shake that old "Iginla Country Club" feel around this team right now.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's still a bit of a cop out in my opinion. I mean yeah, in the context of one game, it makes total sense. But when you are talking about it happening most games, it's probably more of a symptom than the problem.

The real question is why haven't the Flames "best" players been the best players for the majority of the games? I'm not going to pin it all on coaching, but it is one possibility among many. I can't shake that old "Iginla Country Club" feel around this team right now.

I don't think there is a "country club" feel to the team. A player like Brouwer is very vocal and would not put up with it.

On a side note to the "Iginal country club" i blame Jeremy Roenick for not putting an end to it. He was almost a flame until Gretzky called him to play for Arizona. Roenick would have nipped that in the bud within a week.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Johnny says hi.

You mean that kid who was ineffective 41 games last year? Yeah I'll go ahead and say Brodie was more important to the team.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

It looks like Randy Sportak is getting fed up with this Wideman experiment as well.

For the life of me, I don’t get Gulutzan’s stubbornness keeping Wideman with Giordano. Brodie’s struggling on left side. Simple solution

https://twitter.com/RandySportak/sta...48954554454018

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

It looks like Randy Sportak is getting fed up with this Wideman experiment as well.



https://twitter.com/RandySportak/sta...48954554454018

Have to agree with him. I'm sure these pairings have a deeper meaning to Gulutzan (trying to break bad habits of individuals like Brodie and Gio by separating them) but they are starting to cost this team points in the standings.

[dino7c]

Flames best players have been brutal and they are 4-6 with lots of close games

Pretty hard to pin it on the coach at this point. And lets be honest its not a stacked roster to begin with. Babcock is supposedly the greatest coach to grace the earth yet his team was 30th out of 30 teams last year.

[CliffFletcher]

Interesting that the Flames' top players have had more trouble adapting to GG's system than guys like Backlund and Frolik. I wonder if ego is a factor. Sad to say, but it seems difficult for coaches in the NHL today to impose their will on star players.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Interesting that the Flames' top players have had more trouble adapting to GG's system than guys like Backlund and Frolik. I wonder if ego is a factor. Sad to say, but it seems difficult for coaches in the NHL today to impose their will on star players.

Not really surprising though. It sounds like a lot of players in their exit interviews trashed Hartley and if I was to guess most of those players would be the ones in the bottom 6 forward and bottom pairing defensemen roles. Hartley rode his best players hard while rotating bottom 6 forwards and bottom pairing defensemen in and out of the press box on an almost nightly basis. Regardless of how well some of these depth players would play it was never good enough and they were going to get scapegoated for the losses while Bob's golden boys kept getting ample ice time and glory every game win or lose. These role players are now getting more ice time, opportunity, and more importantly respect under a new coach and their enthusiasm and energy shows as the depth players haven't played this well since the Darryl Sutter days. Unfortunately the ultimate success of the team hinges on the best players buying into the new coaching staff and so far that's been work in progress.

[MarkGio]

The Flames are potentially the worst team in the league with their games in hand. If any team below them wins one or two more games, all things equal the Flames are the worst in the whole league

[northcrunk]

I can't stand Wideman out there. He is a liability for sure and should not be in the NHL.

I agree with Boomer about Chaisson on the top line. Plays die on his stick and there are at least 3 better options in the AHL than him. Chaisson has a big frame but is not overly physical or intimidating. He is a big softy. Even Colburne was a big bean pole but at least he tried to hit.

[flamesforcup]

Im more worried about Brodie than Gaudreau. Hopefully his offense picks up soon

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Im more worried about Brodie than Gaudreau. Hopefully his offense picks up soon

Brodie needs to be put back on the right side. He will struggle until that happens.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

You mean that kid who was ineffective 41 games last year? Yeah I'll go ahead and say Brodie was more important to the team.

Brodie sucked for a good portion of last year, and was injured for a big spell as well. You didn't say most important, either. You said best. I'd say being a top 6 scorer makes Gaudreau Calgary's best player last year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Nabber

It's crazy that I don't remember ever seeing this pairing together, even just once.

They were thrown together for a bit last night.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Brodie needs to be put back on the right side. He will struggle until that happens.

Ya i agree. Hes looked bad on the left side.

[polak]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

The Flames are potentially the worst team in the league with their games in hand. If any team below them wins one or two more games, all things equal the Flames are the worst in the whole league

Well heads will roll for sure if this continues. I just worry what a mess this organization will become if that happens.