[Trade] PK Subban for Shea Weber. 1 for 1.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But people are talking like it'll be a burden to Montreal. It won't

Also, Nashville loses control of the situation now, their fate is in Montreal's hands to deal with it.

Their fate is in Weber's hands now and before, it's his retirement that triggers this.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by nik-

Their fate is in Weber's hands now and before, it's his retirement that triggers this.

There are also opportunities to make cap-management trades.

However, they no longer have those options. And Montreal has zero motivation to be concerned about the recapture penalties.

[nik-]

Nashville really doesn't either though. They don't actually pay that money and they're not a cap team.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Berkshire nails it.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/p...diens-history/

Subban for larsson would have been worse I guess. Weber can still bring it.. I don't think it's the worst of all time

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by nik-

Their fate is in Weber's hands now and before, it's his retirement that triggers this.

How many North American born players have actually retired and trigger a recapture penalty? If they get injured they go LITR ala Pronger who is still on the Coyotes roster or they end getting bought out. They have no incentive to retire and forfeit money, where as the Euros (Kovy and Datsuyk) have to "retire" to nullify their NHL contract so they can play is Russia

[EldrickOnIce]

What would happen with recapture in the event of a buyout? Weber makes 1M per for the last 3 years of his contract.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

How many North American born players have actually retired and trigger a recapture penalty? If they get injured they go LITR ala Pronger who is still on the Coyotes roster or they end getting bought out. They have no incentive to retire and forfeit money, where as the Euros (Kovy and Datsuyk) have to "retire" to nullify their NHL contract so they can play is Russia

Well if he doesn't retire it's even worse for Montreal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by nik-

Nashville really doesn't either though. They don't actually pay that money and they're not a cap team.

did you look at the size of the numbers?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Will also be interesting to see if the Preds choose to retain Subban's upcoming NTC/NMC

I'm surprised they even have the option. Subban's new contract hasn't kicked in yet, he's never waived his NMC. If that the way it works?

Originally Posted by codynw

Does Nashville even care about recapture penatlies? They're a budget team.

If Weber retires when his 1M years kick in that would be over 8M/year for 3 years, that would put them over the cap today.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And Montreal has zero motivation to be concerned about the recapture penalties.

MTL also has way less motivation than NSH to buy out the contract if another compliance window opens up.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

How many North American born players have actually retired and trigger a recapture penalty? If they get injured they go LITR ala Pronger who is still on the Coyotes roster or they end getting bought out. They have no incentive to retire and forfeit money, where as the Euros (Kovy and Datsuyk) have to "retire" to nullify their NHL contract so they can play is Russia

There haven't really been many contracts with potential recapture penalties on them that have reached the low salary years yet, so it's difficult to predict what will happen in the future.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Bergevin's not done, you guys. Next up: Carey Price for Henrik Lundqvist. Straight up.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

What would happen with recapture in the event of a buyout? Weber makes 1M per for the last 3 years of his contract.

Buyout wouldn't change the recapture at all from my understanding. NSH would be on the hook for a crapload and MTL for a little bit.

[Enoch Root]

re Mike Babcock - he was talking about Team Canada

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

did you look at the size of the numbers?

Yup. They get in trouble if he retires at 39 or 40. They have no control on him doing that in Montreal and they have no control on him doing that if he still played in Nashville.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

What would happen with recapture in the event of a buyout? Weber makes 1M per for the last 3 years of his contract.

There would be no recapture (good for Nashville), but there would be big cap hits incurred by the Habs (bad for Montreal) for doing so. So, don't expect the Habs to do the Preds that favour, although, they could trade the contract and let someone else do it for them.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

re Mike Babcock - he was talking about Team Canada

Ya, realized that and tried a ninja edit

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by getbak

There would be no recapture (good for Nashville), but there would be big cap hits incurred by the Habs (bad for Montreal) for doing so. So, don't expect the Habs to do the Preds that favour, although, they could trade the contract and let someone else do it for them.

I don't think that is true, the recapture goes to the team that received the cap benefit regardless unless I'm badly mistaken.

[getbak]

With a buyout, you're still taking on the cap hit remaining on the contract (minus the 1/3 of salary you're not paying), so there is no other benefit to be recaptured.

[EldrickOnIce]

So Habs just trade him back to Nashville and they can pay him 1M not to play, if necessary

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Woah - crazy win for Nashville if that is true.

I say it's a huge win for Montreal. Weber will bring defensive consistency and physicality PK never provided while still being a premier point producer from the backend. The Habs also save a small amount against the cap and actual dollars.