05-21-2016, 08:32 AM
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05-21-2016, 08:49 AM
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#302
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Nail head meet hammer
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05-21-2016, 09:44 AM
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05-21-2016, 10:37 AM
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Excellent article, thanks EldrickOnIce
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05-21-2016, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
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Pretty much my sentiment and what i said the night all this happened.
Embarrassing stuff from several MP's....but what some of the NDP claimed is just outrageous.
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05-21-2016, 12:09 PM
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#306
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Pretty much my sentiment and what i said the night all this happened.
Embarrassing stuff from several MP's....but what some of the NDP claimed is just outrageous.
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Agreed-that article sums up my own views on this situation better than I ever could.
One other thought: many have speculated as to the media's reaction if Harper had done what Trudeau did. I was not (and am not) Harper's biggest fan. I think he was cynical and arrogant, and he did a lot of things I disagreed with and felt were harmful to our country.
But I think we have to give Harper this, just for the sake of intellectual honesty: he would NEVER have lost his cool, and done what Trudeau did the other day. He would have stayed in his seat, and observed parliamentary decorum (such as it is) and let the speaker sort it out. Trudeau made a huge mistake, and I feel like it could really cost him.
In a way, he is lucky that opposition MPs are making themselves look even worse in their desperate attempts to make political hay out of this utterly idiotic storm-in-a-teacup faux controversy. They should all be ashamed.
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05-21-2016, 12:32 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by SportsJunky
I don't get it. The NDP were blocking the Whip with full knowledge that they were impeding his progress. Why? Just to be jerks? Trudeau had enough and so he led the guy through the silliness. What should he have done? Sit there and watch the blockade game? He's the leader of our country. I think he was showing leadership right there. I would have done the same thing. He didn't yank the guy's arm off. His intention (I think), was to show his displeasure with the immaturity of those folks and to get on with things. No problem at all with what Trudeau did there. I'm not sure he should have apologized for his actions.
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Yes. Trudeau is the Prime Minister, but he does not command or control the House of Commons. He has no authority to interject himself into that situation. That he did so was a small breach of decorum. That he even laid a hand on another MP was a major breach of decorum.
The answer to what Trudeau should have done was simply to wait. The Speaker would eventually have gotten tired of the NDP's little game and ordered them to their seats. Trudeau turned a protest that would have lasted a few minutes at most into an international black eye. Whatever the hyperbole the opposition parties have been flinging in the aftermath, none of it happens if Trudeau remembers he is an MP, not a princeling.
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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
In a way, he is lucky that opposition MPs are making themselves look even worse in their desperate attempts to make political hay out of this utterly idiotic storm-in-a-teacup faux controversy. They should all be ashamed.
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This, exactly. Just about the only person involved who has handled himself properly was the Conservative Whip. Everyone else looks dumb, and the opposition - especially the NDP - are really badly overplaying their hand.
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05-21-2016, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Yes. Trudeau is the Prime Minister, but he does not command or control the House of Commons. He has no authority to interject himself into that situation. That he did so was a small breach of decorum. That he even laid a hand on another MP was a major breach of decorum.
The answer to what Trudeau should have done was simply to wait. The Speaker would eventually have gotten tired of the NDP's little game and ordered them to their seats. Trudeau turned a protest that would have lasted a few minutes at most into an international black eye. Whatever the hyperbole the opposition parties have been flinging in the aftermath, none of it happens if Trudeau remembers he is an MP, not a princeling.
This, exactly. Just about the only person involved who has handled himself properly was the Conservative Whip. Everyone else looks dumb, and the opposition - especially the NDP - are really badly overplaying their hand.
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A little on the hyberbole side, eh NDP? I'm sure the rest of the world is whispering about us behind our back over this.
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05-21-2016, 12:51 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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A little on the hyberbole side, eh NDP? I'm sure the rest of the world is whispering about us behind our back over this. |
No hyperbole at all. Trudeau's outburst was international news, and it wasn't positively received. But those are the risks when your pretty boy looks make you an international celebrity in the first place. The bad comes with the good.
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05-21-2016, 01:16 PM
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#310
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Looooooooooooooch
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Atleast one thing is now perfectly clear, in Canada and across the world.
The NDP are a joke.
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05-21-2016, 01:17 PM
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The NDP both started and finished the pathetic "international" brouhaha by acting like misbehaving 9 year olds. Trudeau's mistake was losing his temper and getting involved with children.
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05-21-2016, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
No hyperbole at all. Trudeau's outburst was international news, and it wasn't positively received. But those are the risks when your pretty boy looks make you an international celebrity in the first place. The bad comes with the good.
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Lol, the "international news" has basically been "Can you believe Canadians are upset over this?"
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05-21-2016, 02:11 PM
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Lol, the "international news" has basically been "Can you believe Canadians are upset over this?"
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Wrong.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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05-21-2016, 02:14 PM
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The NDP both started and finished the pathetic "international" brouhaha by acting like misbehaving 9 year olds. Trudeau's mistake was losing his temper and getting involved with children.
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So you think a PM marching down to the floor of the commons, saying "get the ###### out of my way," and grabbing another MP is perfectly normal and acceptable behaviour? You really think this is commonplace in other legislative assemblies.
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05-21-2016, 02:40 PM
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I guess I stand corrected and this is a huge deal.
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05-21-2016, 02:49 PM
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One of the Nine
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So you think a PM marching down to the floor of the commons, saying "get the ###### out of my way," and grabbing another MP is perfectly normal and acceptable behaviour? You really think this is commonplace in other legislative assemblies.
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Yeah, that's exactly what he said. That it's "perfectly normal and acceptable behaviour".
Everyone is cringing about this, but the NDP are making it so much more cringeworthy. Also, the "outrage" is cringeworthy. I'm not even a liberal supporter, and I think this is ridiculous.
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05-21-2016, 03:04 PM
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So you think a PM marching down to the floor of the commons, saying "get the ###### out of my way," and grabbing another MP is perfectly normal and acceptable behaviour? You really think this is commonplace in other legislative assemblies.
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Where did I say it's common place or acceptable? I very clearly stated Trudeau lost his temper and made a mistake. If the NDP didn't go all Drama Queen to the press, I highly doubt this would have had the traction in international news that it has.
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05-21-2016, 03:35 PM
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Looooooooooooooch
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Don't worry guys, just imagine the shenanigans when Trump is in office. I'm sure the US will surpass our "outrageous" behavior soon and we'll be back to being the nice guys.
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05-21-2016, 03:40 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Zevo
Where did I say it's common place or acceptable? I very clearly stated Trudeau lost his temper and made a mistake. If the NDP didn't go all Drama Queen to the press, I highly doubt this would have had the traction in international news that it has.
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Chicken and egg. If Trudeau doesn't go all goon, the NDP doesn't go drama queen.
Which is why Justin should have just let the Speaker handle the little game that was being played. Hopefully he learns from this mistake.
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05-21-2016, 06:14 PM
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#320
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Goon, lol.
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