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[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I'm sorry to inform you that it's already unusable.

In your opinion, where do you think would be a good place to put four 10+ story buildings for housing in the SW?

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[Madman]

If you're driving a Mercedes Benz and you can afford a Mercedes Benz, you're not going to take public transit to goddamn downtown Calgary or Mount Royal College.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I'm sorry to inform you that it's already unusable.

In your opinion, where do you think would be a good place to put four 10+ story buildings for housing in the SW?

Sticking to BRT access I would say that Currie Barracks would be better than Glenmore Landing. I'd even suggest that they can tear up some of the green space from the old Richmond Greens and put in some affordable housing there.

[Jimmy Stang]

It isn't like they are slapping 4 towers there and they are all going to share the existing, ridiculous parking lot. New buildings will bring in new infrastructure (including underground parking), improved access, etc. And let's be honest - Glenmore Landing could use some access and infrastructure improvements already. I'm not sure what aspects of Glenmore Landing are so desirable that we need to preserve them as-is for eternity.

[edslunch]

at least the gas pipeline under 14th hasn't ruptured yet

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sticking to BRT access I would say that Currie Barracks would be better than Glenmore Landing. I'd even suggest that they can tear up some of the green space from the old Richmond Greens and put in some affordable housing there.

How is that better than providing housing near what looks to be a decent employment centre for low income workers? I just noticed there are 3 retirement homes right there, along with the aforementioned shopping centre, hospital and park. Are low income people not permitted to live where they work? Or should they all be bussed in from the projects?

It's not even taking away a park or space people use, it's a big grassy sound barrier. People will object to anything.

[monkey brewery]

people were livid when the brentwood redevelopment plans were happening. my big concern was increased traffic in the area, and while that did happen to an extent it was nothing like some of the doom and gloom sayers were saying would happen - it's mostly confined to the mall area itself and not the neighbourhood. the four towers that went in there definitely changed the landscape but to be honest you don't even see them any more

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How is that better than providing housing near what looks to be a decent employment centre for low income workers? I just noticed there are 3 retirement homes right there, along with the aforementioned shopping centre, hospital and park. Are low income people not permitted to live where they work? Or should they all be bussed in from the projects?

It's not even taking away a park or space people use, it's a big grassy sound barrier. People will object to anything.

Well, not connected to this, but I know that one of those facilities is going to make way for a redevelopment in a couple of years as well. And I get that you're still trying to make this about class and income, but the truth is there are all kinds of housing options in the area. There are apartments, condos, townhouses and single family houses.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well, not connected to this, but I know that one of those facilities is going to make way for a redevelopment in a couple of years as well. And I get that you're still trying to make this about class and income, but the truth is there are all kinds of housing options in the area. There are apartments, condos, townhouses and single family houses.

So what's wrong with adding towers? It's happening all over the city.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How is that better than providing housing near what looks to be a decent employment centre for low income workers? I just noticed there are 3 retirement homes right there, along with the aforementioned shopping centre, hospital and park. Are low income people not permitted to live where they work? Or should they all be bussed in from the projects?

It's not even taking away a park or space people use, it's a big grassy sound barrier. People will object to anything.

Do you have specific employment demographic information to compare the Glenmore Landing vs Currie Barracks areas? I suggest Currie Barracks is better because it is a largely underutilized area right now that is in the process of redevelopment so it provides a good opportunity to create a community from the ground up vs cramming 4 towers onto a small parcel in an established area. It is possible that even more lower income Calgarians work around downtown so it might be nice for them to live in closer proximity like Currie Barracks.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by monkey brewery

people were livid when the brentwood redevelopment plans were happening. my big concern was increased traffic in the area, and while that did happen to an extent it was nothing like some of the doom and gloom sayers were saying would happen - it's mostly confined to the mall area itself and not the neighbourhood. the four towers that went in there definitely changed the landscape but to be honest you don't even see them any more

Wandering, but the condos at Brentwood weren't low income or subsidized, but I would guess a huge portion of the residents are uni students. The units were tiny, in the neighborhood of 500sqft.

My brother and I were at the sales centre opening weekend, and as I recall they sold out the first phase on like day one. This was maybe 2009 or 2010, but it was wild. I imagined people climbing over each other with their chequebook in the air, like a scene from a Black Friday sale at Walmart in the States during the early days of YouTube.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Do you have specific employment demographic information to compare the Glenmore Landing vs Currie Barracks areas? I suggest Currie Barracks is better because it is a largely underutilized area right now that is in the process of redevelopment so it provides a good opportunity to create a community from the ground up vs cramming 4 towers onto a small parcel in an established area. It is possible that even more lower income Calgarians work around downtown so it might be nice for them to live in closer proximity like Currie Barracks.

Ya, that's a great plan, build both.


I thought it was a little baffling you'd point to another irrelevant area 5km away.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well, not connected to this, but I know that one of those facilities is going to make way for a redevelopment in a couple of years as well. And I get that you're still trying to make this about class and income, but the truth is there are all kinds of housing options in the area. There are apartments, condos, townhouses and single family houses.

What's your point here, Slava?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by woob

What's your point here, Slava?

That was specifically in response to the comment from Fuzz that would be employees in Glenmore Landing have nowhere to live unless it’s outside the community. It’s just not the case. There are all types of properties…that’s my point.

[Fuzz]

I didn't say nowhere, I said there are lots of employment options nearby.


If ti wasn't financially viable and Riocan didn't think they could make it work, they wouldn't be doing it. But they are, so I'm going to presume they have done their research.


I've just yet to hear anything approaching a reasonable objection to this. AA shopping centre gets busier? Welcome to a city. We have decided we need population growth, so people are coming. They need places to live. These are places to live.

[timun]

The fundamental, underlying answer to "why at Glenmore Landing?" is because this is a City-owned property being swapped to Rio-Can on the cheap, on the specific condition they build affordable housing units.

By contrast Currie Barracks is all federal government land that they are very slowly, methodically developing into a relatively high-end neighbourhood. They don't have to play ball with the City if they don't want to, and they don't want to build affordable housing there, so they won't.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I didn't say nowhere, I said there are lots of employment options nearby.


If ti wasn't financially viable and Riocan didn't think they could make it work, they wouldn't be doing it. But they are, so I'm going to presume they have done their research.


I've just yet to hear anything approaching a reasonable objection to this. AA shopping centre gets busier? Welcome to a city. We have decided we need population growth, so people are coming. They need places to live. These are places to live.

And good for you. I mean, with due respect, you don’t live in the neighborhood, so it doesn’t impact you. People living in the area, who are directly impacted, are concerned and I don’t think that’s unfounded.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Slava

And good for you. I mean, with due respect, you don’t live in the neighborhood, so it doesn’t impact you. People living in the area, who are directly impacted, are concerned and I don’t think that’s unfounded.

But hopefully you can see that this sounds like, literally, NIMBY-ism.

"I have no problem with subsidized housing, but maybe put them...not here".

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by timun

By contrast Currie Barracks is all federal government land that they are very slowly, methodically developing into a relatively high-end neighbourhood.

Are you saying that low income/affordable housing doesn't belong in high end neighborhoods?

That is probably a pretty similar sentiment to that of many residents around Glenmore Landing.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

And good for you. I mean, with due respect, you don’t live in the neighborhood, so it doesn’t impact you. People living in the area, who are directly impacted, are concerned and I don’t think that’s unfounded.

I've got a whole load of low income rentals around me. I'd give zero ####s about a development like that in the location they are proposing(if similar was near me).

I still don't really get what the direct impact is that is worth worrying about.