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Flash Walken · 11-19-2015, 10:07 AM

I see this as the ultimate opportunity to get out from underneath the Giordano contract and I hope the Flames take it.

Vinny01 · 11-19-2015, 10:10 AM

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I see this as the ultimate opportunity to get out from underneath the Giordano contract and I hope the Flames take it.

You just hate whoever wears the C on this team hey?

Fire of the Phoenix · 11-19-2015, 10:13 AM

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You just hate whoever wears the C on this team hey?

I think he's just being pragmatic, as are many others. Unfortunately in pro sports it's very difficult to separate the emotional attachment to our heroes from what might need to be done.

Vinny01 · 11-19-2015, 10:17 AM

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I think he's just being pragmatic, as are many others. Unfortunately in pro sports it's very difficult to separate the emotional attachment to our heroes from what might need to be done.

I think most people that are promoting trading Gio are looking at his first 20 games and thinking this is what he will be now and going forward. This is a contract that was praised across the hockey world as a great signing by Treliving. Gio is coming off a bad injury and is struggling along with the team that now has heightened expectations.

I see this 20 game sample as a small blip and not what we should expect in the future.

White Out 403 · 11-19-2015, 10:19 AM

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Would you trade Trouba for him?

Risky. I personally love Trouba... and I think this year is just a blip for him. Yet Hamonic has a fantastic cap hit and is still young. Really a toss up for me. I'd probably do the deal just because you never want to give up on a chance to have a talented player who calls your city home.

HotHotHeat · 11-19-2015, 10:22 AM

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Weird. Wonder what the connection is?

Dreger is probably pulling that out of his ass. Only team in the group TSN has a relationship with.

Oling_Roachinen · 11-19-2015, 10:23 AM

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Bennett is probably worth a fair bit less than Strome at the moment. Their upsides are similar but Strome is more proven.

Only one of those players are in the NHL right now, and it's not the "more proven" Strome.

adc · 11-19-2015, 10:24 AM

Or they are looking at his play prior to the 2013-14 season.

Gio has had two seasons (64 and 61 games) where he has played at an elite level. Prior to that he was much closer to his current level of play than all-star level.

Plus how is his deal going to look in 5 years whether he returns to his play from last year or not it is doubtful he will be close to that when 35+.

Fire of the Phoenix · 11-19-2015, 10:24 AM

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I think most people that are promoting trading Gio are looking at his first 20 games and thinking this is what he will be now and going forward. This is a contract that was praised across the hockey world as a great signing by Treliving. Gio is coming off a bad injury and is struggling along with the team that now has heightened expectations.

I see this 20 game sample as a small blip and not what we should expect in the future.

There is a very fine line of being right or wrong on the issue. It could go either way but the reality is that the last half of the contract was always going to be trouble. Gio has had 2 seasons of play that suggest he is is worth it in his career, now he is on the wrong side of 30. I can understand the nervousness especially considering the contract hasn't even kicked in yet.

MacDaddy77 · 11-19-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think most people that are promoting trading Gio are looking at his first 20 games and thinking this is what he will be now and going forward. This is a contract that was praised across the hockey world as a great signing by Treliving. Gio is coming off a bad injury and is struggling along with the team that now has heightened expectations.

I see this 20 game sample as a small blip and not what we should expect in the future.

I disagree, As much as Gio is a leader on this team, last year was more the exception and not the norm when it comes to his production and value to this team.

The window for winning for the Flames is still 2-3 years out. trading Gio's contract for a 25 yr old bonafide top 4 on a great contract that fits that window is definitely something the flames should be doing.

Have we learned nothing from the Iginla scenario. Keeping players past their prime when the rest of the team isn't ready is counter productive to building a winning team.

the 3 million we are saving can go towards upgrading our goaltending situation (hopefuly)

Fire of the Phoenix · 11-19-2015, 10:42 AM

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Only one of those players are in the NHL right now, and it's not the "more proven" Strome.

It's almost like their team is a lot better than ours.

If Bennett was property the isles, he'd be in the OHL right now.

Textcritic · 11-19-2015, 10:48 AM

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It's almost like their team is a lot better than ours.

If Bennett was property the isles, he'd be in the OHL right now.

Hahahahaha...no.

At present, Bennett would rank fifth in scoring on the Islanders roster this season.

Fire of the Phoenix · 11-19-2015, 10:52 AM

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Hahahahaha...no.

At present, Bennett would rank fifth in scoring on the Islanders roster this season.

What's your point? He'd be second on the penguins in scoring ahead of Crosby but I doubt you'd be in a hurry to make that argument.

He wouldn't get the minutes on the isles he gets here. There's a reason Strome couldn't make the team.

You can't just transfer the point totals like that. If he was on their team everything would be different.

saillias · 11-19-2015, 10:53 AM

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It's almost like their team is a lot better than ours.

If Bennett was property the isles, he'd be in the OHL right now.

The NYI aren't particularly great at managing their top picks nor are they a league model for drafting & player development. Reinhart, Niederreiter, Strome, Dal Colle. Many top 5 picks in recent years, none seem to graduate to the NHL quickly if at all. They are getting mid first round results from top 5 picks.

Despite them being a playoff team I wouldn't be so quick to award them accolades as doing everything right

Fire of the Phoenix · 11-19-2015, 10:54 AM

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The NYI aren't particularly great at managing their top picks nor are they a league model for drafting & player development. Reinhart, Niederreiter, Strome, Dal Colle.

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Oling_Roachinen · 11-19-2015, 10:55 AM

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It's almost like their team is a lot better than ours.

If Bennett was property the isles, he'd be in the OHL right now.

The team has won 1 more game than it's lost. We're not exactly talking about the 2002 Red Wings here.

Strome's demotion had nothing to do with the team he was on, it had everything to do with his play. He's 22 years old and hasn't truly broken out in the NHL. He's certainly not more valuable than the established Brodie or Hamonic.

Oling_Roachinen · 11-19-2015, 10:58 AM

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What's your point? He'd be second on the penguins in scoring ahead of Crosby but I doubt you'd be in a hurry to make that argument.

He wouldn't get the minutes on the isles he gets here. There's a reason Strome couldn't make the team.

You can't just transfer the point totals like that. If he was on their team everything would be different.

Ryan Strome got significantly more minutes than Bennett did while with the Islanders this year...he struggled, they sent him down. There's nothing else to the story.

Fire of the Phoenix · 11-19-2015, 10:58 AM

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The team has won 1 more game than it's lost. We're not exactly talking about the 2002 Red Wings here.

Strome's demotion had nothing to do with the team he was on, it had everything to do with his play. He's 22 years old and hasn't truly broken out in the NHL. He's certainly not more valuable than the established Brodie or Hamonic.

Their forward ranks are twice as good as ours. Whether or not you choose to see the implication that has on a young forward trying to make the team is up to you.

Oling_Roachinen · 11-19-2015, 11:05 AM

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Their forward ranks are twice as good as ours. Whether or not you choose to see the implication that has on a young forward trying to make the team is up to you.

See, I can guarantee you haven't watched an Islanders game this season. If you did you would have seen him struggling.

It's not the forwards, because they are the same as last years. Strome's demotion is on his play, not on his team. Everyone knows it.

saillias · 11-19-2015, 11:06 AM

Well you're doubling down which is ok but it's pretty obvious to most I think that Strome is not more valuable than Bennett. His value is about Baertschi.