09-29-2015, 11:58 AM
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Québec is liberal, but at the same time very much xenophobic in protecting their identity, and very much atheist and agnostic, more than any other province I know (people are Catholic in name only for the most part). They now believe that Mulcair has no intention of protecting the Quebec identity.
I firmly believe Mulcair's comments have completely turned opinion against the NDP, and it not only cost him a chance at being PM, but likely even the opposition party. It was a poorly calculated move, as Canadians by and large do not believe in special religious exceptions (i.e. Sharia law) that circumvents human rights and Canadian laws and customs. Mulcair says yes to the Niqab on individual rights grounds, but to do so on a widely believed oppressive instrument is counter to even NDP people policies and what they have preached.
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09-29-2015, 12:25 PM
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#302
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#1 Goaltender
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Looks like Harper suckered Quebec voters with this non-issue.
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09-29-2015, 12:50 PM
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#303
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Going to be really interesting to see if there's a mass migration of NDP votes to the Liberals now that they've fallen back a bit and there being less than three weeks left in the campaign.
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09-29-2015, 12:52 PM
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#304
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Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater
Looks like Harper suckered Quebec voters with this non-issue.
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You have to understand Quebec issues and demographic to understand why it's not a non-issue, at least in their minds.
This is the same province that wants to separate and be known as a distinct society, but keep the Canadian dollar and military.
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09-29-2015, 01:11 PM
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#305
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater
Looks like Harper suckered Quebec voters with this non-issue.
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Clearly they see it as an issue, its the ultimate in arrogance when you make a post like this.
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09-29-2015, 01:13 PM
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#306
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What people see as an issue does not an issue make. See: Lion, Cecil The.
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09-29-2015, 01:16 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
What people see as an issue does not an issue make. See: Lion, Cecil The.
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to me that's a pretty invalid comparison, considering Lion, Cecil doesn't have anything to do with the democratic process of an election.
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09-29-2015, 01:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
to me that's a pretty invalid comparison, considering Lion, Cecil doesn't have anything to do with the democratic process of an election.
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No, but it's a fair analogy based on what is a priority and what should be a priority.
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09-29-2015, 03:13 PM
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#309
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Going to be really interesting to see if there's a mass migration of NDP votes to the Liberals now that they've fallen back a bit and there being less than three weeks left in the campaign.
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Not quite yet.
They've fallan back but I don't think any migration (should there be one) is going to be seen until October 13th or there abouts. The TVA debate is October 2nd, any impact from that won't be clearly seen until October 7th (three business days after), and if Mulclair can't reverse course then the migratory behaviour may begin but won't start really being seen until after the October long weekend.
Last edited by Parallex; 09-29-2015 at 03:17 PM.
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09-29-2015, 03:24 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by rubecube
No, but it's a fair analogy based on what is a priority and what should be a priority.
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the priorities are pretty much set by the voters based on their numbers, and clearly this issue has resonated in Quebec.
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09-29-2015, 05:05 PM
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So, in your view, "this is in the grand scheme of things unimportant to the country, and the people who are focusing on it are being unreasonable" is a totally nonsensical statement, regardless of what it's applied to?
How do you feel about Trump and his Mexico wall? That seems pretty stupid to me.
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09-29-2015, 05:15 PM
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#312
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Internal polling must look bad for the NDP, they are launching multiple attack ads against Trudeau on radio and TV. Going after C-51, manufacturing and his charity speaking fees while skipping house votes.
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09-29-2015, 05:37 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Victoria, BC
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09-30-2015, 01:24 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Their true Green Party bias comes out:
"CommentsThis is a solidly Conservative riding; strategic voting will not make any difference. Voting Green will help keep the Greens share of the popular vote close to their actual numbers and would allow Green supporters to vote in swing ridings for the Liberals or the NDP."
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09-30-2015, 03:31 AM
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A Fiddler Crab
Join Date: Jan 2007
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So, Liberal-NDP Coalition government? Trudeau as PM, Mulcair as ... Deputy PM? Minister of Finance?
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09-30-2015, 07:28 AM
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#316
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I don't think any riding projections have the Liberals trouncing the NDP in seats, so not really sure how Trudeau ends up as PM in this election in any scenario. You'd need an implosion of NDP in Quebec and BC, but somehow not in any of the ridings that would go to the CPC, otherwise they're still way ahead of Liberals in riding count.
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09-30-2015, 08:39 AM
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Ducay
so not really sure how Trudeau ends up as PM in this election in any scenario.
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Any scenario? Based off of 308's projection The Liberals would win an average of 110 seats if the election were held right now and the Tories 127. Surely you can envision a scenario in which the Liberals take 9 additional seats seats held by the Tories in the interim.
The Tories have the advantage at present no doubt... but it's hardly to the point where the Liberals need literally everything to go right.
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09-30-2015, 08:41 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducay
I don't think any riding projections have the Liberals trouncing the NDP in seats, so not really sure how Trudeau ends up as PM in this election in any scenario. You'd need an implosion of NDP in Quebec and BC, but somehow not in any of the ridings that would go to the CPC, otherwise they're still way ahead of Liberals in riding count.
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The polls are showing Liberal gains in BC today. If they get some help from NDP voters who go strategic in ontario, they have a solid shot at winning, but I agree that a Conservative minority is the more likely outcome at the moment.
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09-30-2015, 08:55 AM
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#320
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
If they get some help from NDP voters who go strategic in ontario, they have a solid shot at winning.
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Yeah, they'll need a spike in Ontario and the Montreal Metropolition area to get there. Which isn't so bad since if you were a gambling man and you had to bet on where the Liberals would get a spike I'm pretty sure those would be 1 and 2 on the list.
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