[News] With the 60th OA pick the Flames select D Oliver Kylington UPD: CHL rights to Brandon

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by saillias

I don't have a narrative, I'm asking a rules question. Am I not allowed to prefer a prospect plays in the CHL?

Re-read your post I quoted... here:

Agreed, if he's not good enough for SEL then he would get ripped apart in the AHL.

This was what I was posting about. Hows that a rules question?

To be fair I was also responding to the poster you were quoting too. Which provides beter context to my comment. Sorry to single you out.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Ya exactly. CHL likely would be an easier transition for him which I think would be great. Just get him out of Sweden.

If he goes to the CHL, I hope it's to a team that puts defense first, unlike some teams in the Q (he might regress in the latter). He already has an offensive game.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You guys aren't listening to the info from Loob today. Like at all. Just completely ignoring it actually. To fit your narrative of how his development is going to go over people who run hockey and have actually had the player on their team.

Hakan Loob only considered what could be best for Oliver Kylington in a perfect world.

One undeniable fact is that Kylington needs 20+ minutes a game wherever he goes - penalty kill, power play, he needs to make progression in his overall game.

Will Kylington get 20+ minutes in the AHL? The Heat have:

Wotherspoon
Nakladal
Morrisson
Kulak
Culkin
Sieloff
Kanzig

and probably Stevenson, Fram, or Eric Roy on the roster. Maybe Ramage too.

It's safe to say that Kylington isn't going to just shoot right past Wotherspoon or Nakladal for top pairing minutes in the A. I don't expect him to outperform the next three either.

AIK is a good fit for him if he can get big minutes. It's safe to say Farajstad, which is what Loob is most familiar with, was a poor fit as he was getting bottom pair minutes. But Kylington has shown no rush to play in the SHL next year. If he gets promoted back to the big leagues, awesome, but the key is for him to get big time minutes in a good league. Swedish Tier 2 is a good fit for him and I have to imagine he'll be the top dog in AIK.

Last season Brett Kulak as further along in his development than Kylington is, he came into the AHL, played six games, and then got sent down to Colorado Eagles of the ECHL to get playing time. The Flames' total control over his development get lost in the process, and while Kulak managed to survive the demotion and come back strong, the fact remains that if 20-year-old Kulak got demoted, so too would 18-year-old Kylington.

[sureLoss]

^ Yeah it will totally depend on who has his CHL rights.

[saillias]

I listened to Hakan Loob but he's been managing in the SEL for 20 years. And OK was his player. The AHL is a very very good league, perhaps 2nd best in the world, while SEL is roughly the 4th best.

[DiracSpike]

Is there a way to choose which CHL subset OK would go to? The O seems to be the best league, the dub seems to be second and is close by. Basically anything other than the Q.

[Bezer]

Kylington should play his contract out in AIK and then push for a job in the AHL next year. (In my humble opinion)

FYI:
Eric Roy wasn't signed and Ramage wasn't qualified

[herashak]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

How close is this guy to nhl readiness?

Hamilton acquisition but Calgary definitely need another young defender to take a veterans job in the next 1.5 seasons. Preferably sooner.

id say 2 years minimum, unless you want a justin schultz type defenseman.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Is there a way to choose which CHL subset OK would go to? The O seems to be the best league, the dub seems to be second and is close by. Basically anything other than the Q.

Not really. He has to go through the CHL import draft.

His agent could spread stories to teams telling them he has no plans on reporting or plans on reporting depending on fit.

But a team might call that bluff pick him anyways on the off chance that he does come or to trade his rights later on.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Last season Brett Kulak as further along in his development than Kylington is, he came into the AHL, played six games, and then got sent down to Colorado Eagles of the ECHL to get playing time. The Flames' total control over his development get lost in the process, and while Kulak managed to survive the demotion and come back strong, the fact remains that if 20-year-old Kulak got demoted, so too would 18-year-old Kylington.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Flames actually own and control the Adirondack ECHL franchise now so shouldn't they have greater control in the development and more importantly playing time of players who get sent there?

I remember reading an article about this and how they Flames would be able to utilize both minor league teams in their development of players.

If that is the case maybe the Adirondack Thunder is a good place for Kylington?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 868904

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Flames actually own and control the Adirondack ECHL franchise now so shouldn't they have greater control in the development and more importantly playing time of players who get sent there?

I remember reading an article about this and how they Flames would be able to utilize both minor league teams in their development of players.

If that is the case maybe the Adirondack Thunder is a good place for Kylington?

You aren't wrong.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by 868904

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Flames actually own and control the Adirondack ECHL franchise now so shouldn't they have greater control in the development and more importantly playing time of players who get sent there?

I remember reading an article about this and how they Flames would be able to utilize both minor league teams in their development of players.

If that is the case maybe the Adirondack Thunder is a good place for Kylington?

Thing is, Adirondack is going to have JUST a head coach and a GM, and the GM probably won't be Conroy/Pascal. There'll be no assistants like Todd Gill to work with defensemen which is a big part of development in the AHL and even the CHL. More importantly, we get right back to the same issue of "Oliver doesn't have any stability" that Loob was proposing. If Kylington needs to stay pat in one place for a while, then bouncing him back between Stockton/Adirondack doesn't seem like a solution. You also run the risk of getting a malcontent Euro who wants to get traded because he's not even playing in the AHL.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What if he gets picked up in the CHL import draft tomorrow? Would we still be able to send him to the AHL because he was drafted out of Europe?

Yes, the only players who must be sent down to the CHL are those who played in the CHL the year before they were drafted.

Kylington could also spend a year in the CHL then go to the AHL as a 19 year-old. That is what Pat Sieloff did. He was drafted out of the USHL, then went to the OHL for a year. After that, he went to Abbotsford even though he was only 19.


It's always great to hear Loob's thoughts. He gives good & honest insight. It's also interesting to hear his positivity towards Kylington considering he struggled playing for Loob's team.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Thing is, Adirondack is going to have JUST a head coach and a GM, and the GM probably won't be Conroy/Pascal. There'll be no assistants like Todd Gill to work with defensemen which is a big part of development in the AHL and even the CHL. More importantly, we get right back to the same issue of "Oliver doesn't have any stability" that Loob was proposing. If Kylington needs to stay pat in one place for a while, then bouncing him back between Stockton/Adirondack doesn't seem like a solution. You also run the risk of getting a malcontent Euro who wants to get traded because he's not even playing in the AHL.

Yeah, those are my concerns as well. The ECHL just isn't a development league, players end up there, goalies can end up there when teams have depth but it isn't for long stretches and certainly not for an 18 year old.

Have him go to the CHL, get some stability for the next two years. Play with his peers and get used to the North American game. The Flames brass will be in constant communication with him I'm sure and he'll get the quality coaching and development the Canadian Hockey League provides.

We're in no rush.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Add me to the list of people who think the CHL would probably be the best course of action for now - unless Kylington finds stability in Sweden that is. I would have no qualms if Kylington stayed in Sweden for a year or two if he was moved to a team that would give him 2nd pairing minutes and expose him to all situations. To me, that would be ideal.

CHL would give him that opportunity I bet. Would be interesting to see what kind of numbers he puts up, but more importantly would be interesting to see how his defensive game starts improving.

AHL would be perfect, but there is just a logjam. Too many legitimate prospects there, and you will probably see one or two of them get pushed down to the ECHL (which I don't think is necessarily terrible).

ECHL - Again, not 'terrible'. Ramage and Kulak both spent time there. Although Ramage was not qualified today, he did start to look better after spending time in the ECHL. Ditto for Kulak. Wouldn't be the worst idea, but definitely not the most favorable one. Still better than him sticking it out in Sweden playing low minutes and continuing to get bounced around.

Edit: Never mind about Ramage - he did spend time there, but only 6 games. Hardly any time at all to point him out as an example of a player benefiting from playing in that league.

[Freeway]

Ramage and Elson both played in Alaska's Kelly Cup run two seasons ago.

[sureLoss]

Kylington NOT on Sweden's WJC summer camp roster.

Andersson is

http://www.swehockey.se/Landslag/Her...August2-82015/

[D as in David]

Someone mentioned that the CHL import draft is today, if the CHL is an option the Flames would prefer for Kylington, would/should they let CHL teams know that they'll influence his decision to play in the CHL? I would expect CHL teams would be unwilling to draft an import they are not certain will be coming over.

[skudr248]

double post

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Kylington NOT on Sweden's WJC summer camp roster.

Andersson is

http://www.swehockey.se/Landslag/Her...August2-82015/

hmmm wonder why