any of y'all into working out?

[Slava]

Let's hear it? I am eating a fair amount of protein and have definitely seen results. I would be interested in hearing about the issues though?

[Tyler]

You really should be getting all the protein you need from your diet. If you're protein-deficient, you're likely a starving kid in Africa. First world people do not need to supplement with protein.

On the exercise front, most people attribute protein to their gains when in fact, they usually just start taking protein when they start working out or working out with an actual training plan or purpose.

High protein diets wreak havoc on your body in the long term. Cancer, kidney issues and a host of other long-term issues.

I'll see if I can find some medically-cited papers on the subject, but here's a few things that popped up on Google searches:

http://www.livescience.com/8086-prot...body-work.html

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/heal...ents-6597.html

Anyways, just my advice. I bet you won't see a decrease in anything but the drain out of your wallet if you were to cut out protein supplementation

[Flabbibulin]

While I agree that bro science overestimates the amount of protein needed for a gym goer/athlete/bodybuilder etc, the numbers that many on the anti-protein crusade throw out can be just as inaccurate. I am really curious what the full macro nutrient breakdown looks like for those that believe 50 or 60 grams of protein is all you need to build muscle. The calories need to come from somewhere, so assuming a fairly reasonable fat intake of 65g or so, does that mean we fill in the rest of an active adult male's diet with over 400g of carbs?

[Flabbibulin]

I just ran some quick math and 400g of carbs would actually be a low guess. It is quite reasonable to assume that a very active 180lb adult male would need to consume maybe 3000 calories a day to put on any muscle mass over a period of 6 months - 1 year. So, if we go with the argument that recommended protein levels are enough, say .36g per pound for a total of 65 grams; combine another 65g of fat and you are looking at 530g of carbs needed to reach 3000 calories. Sorry, but I dont know a single person that has acheived any type of results in fitness or bodybuilding that would argue that 65g of protein and 500g of carbs is going to give amazing muscle building results

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Tyler

You really should be getting all the protein you need from your diet. If you're protein-deficient, you're likely a starving kid in Africa. First world people do not need to supplement with protein.

On the exercise front, most people attribute protein to their gains when in fact, they usually just start taking protein when they start working out or working out with an actual training plan or purpose.

High protein diets wreak havoc on your body in the long term. Cancer, kidney issues and a host of other long-term issues.

I'll see if I can find some medically-cited papers on the subject, but here's a few things that popped up on Google searches:

http://www.livescience.com/8086-prot...body-work.html

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/heal...ents-6597.html

Anyways, just my advice. I bet you won't see a decrease in anything but the drain out of your wallet if you were to cut out protein supplementation

Thanks for the info! It's interesting, and I do appreciate it. I guess the articles there are a little bit vague though. Like the second article seems to suggest that while the supplements aren't causing the heart and kidney problems, because you add calories with the protein supplement you add that stress. I would agree, all else being equal. For many people though it's not; I meticulously track everything (save for a day a week) so I know my calories aren't rising. I think that a lot of people are that way?

I also think that depending on how hard and how often you workout your body needs those extra grams of protein. So while a guy who plays softball doesn't suddenly need to add protein because it's largely standing around drinking beer (apologies to softball players everywhere) I am lifting 3 times a week, and cardio at least one other. I push hard in the workouts, purposefully, so it's much more than the relaxing softball game. That does impact my seeing results, but probably means that my body needs more protein and nourishment in general.

Lastly, I would take the protein figures in that one article with a grain of salt. Like a can of tuna might be 40 grams (I count it at 34, but who is going to quibble). The thing is though, it's an entire can of tuna. You have to really like tuna to make a sandwich out of that. Regardless though, what I wanted to say about this is that if I ate that way and worked out hard for say a week I would be starving to death! So it is also a question of where the other calories come from?

[t0rrent98]

Ive seen a bit of a change in myself after revamping my routine since the start of the year. My benchs in all 3 categories (bench, decline, incline) have all increased since i started working out 4 years ago (through 3 of those years I slacked off).

Even my Standing Military press has improved. Still struggling to gain the weight through but that's my problem.

I hit up the gym like 3 times a week. My Mon/Fri are my Upper Body while Wed is my Lower. I sometimes go 5 days a week with my tues/thurs being my ab/core/cardio days. Always been told by my buddies that I should do more Upper and stop doing Lower.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Ive seen a bit of a change in myself after revamping my routine since the start of the year. My benchs in all 3 categories (bench, decline, incline) have all increased since i started working out 4 years ago (through 3 of those years I slacked off).

Even my Standing Military press has improved. Still struggling to gain the weight through but that's my problem.

I hit up the gym like 3 times a week. My Mon/Fri are my Upper Body while Wed is my Lower. I sometimes go 5 days a week with my tues/thurs being my ab/core/cardio days. Always been told by my buddies that I should do more Upper and stop doing Lower.

Forget your friends advice- never skip leg day. A good number of muscleheads do and they look like clowns.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Always been told by my buddies that I should do more Upper and stop doing Lower.

Do they also tell you to stop doing any cardio, cause it messes with your gainz? I wouldn't take workout advice from anyone who encourages you to skip leg days.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Slava

Let's hear it? I am eating a fair amount of protein and have definitely seen results. I would be interested in hearing about the issues though?

It's a myth that the more protein you eat the better. Your body can only handle so much. The general rule is 1 -1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Think vitamin c. If you overdo how much vitamin c you need for the day, what does your body do with it?

Protein shakes are a growing market. In my opinion they're overhyped, overmarketed and overpriced. Really it's what you put into working out is what you get out of it. Protein shakes are riding the coat tails of your training and they're full of fillers. Am i against protein shakes, no but prefer to put my money into a good diet.

You always get the guys in the changeroom that swear by this shake. Ten minutes later you hear the next guy swear by another shake. You gotta get it. I"m seeing huge results and i just started drinking it last week.

Anyway, here's part of an article from bodybuilding.com

Muscles Are Protein, So It Only Makes Sense To Eat More Protein, Right? Not Quite.
First you need to understand that after your protein intake has been met, any further protein consumed is just going to be broken down by the body and converted to glucose for use as fuel or be stored as body fat. From that standpoint, it's much more effective to just eat carbs straight up rather than having to go through the process of protein breakdown (gluconeogenesis).

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

It's a myth that the more protein you eat the better. Your body can only handle so much. The general rule is 1 -1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Think vitamin c. If you overdo how much vitamin c you need for the day, what does your body do with it?

Protein shakes are a growing market. In my opinion they're overhyped, overmarketed and overpriced. Really it's what you put into working out is what you get out of it. Protein shakes are riding the coat tails of your training and they're full of fillers. Am i against protein shakes, no but prefer to put my money into a good diet.

You always get the guys in the changeroom that swear by this shake. Ten minutes later you hear the next guy swear by another shake. You gotta get it. I"m seeing huge results and i just started drinking it last week.

Anyway, here's part of an article from bodybuilding.com

Muscles Are Protein, So It Only Makes Sense To Eat More Protein, Right? Not Quite.
First you need to understand that after your protein intake has been met, any further protein consumed is just going to be broken down by the body and converted to glucose for use as fuel or be stored as body fat. From that standpoint, it's much more effective to just eat carbs straight up rather than having to go through the process of protein breakdown (gluconeogenesis).

Scientifically you're right:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsm...ucts-hdtv_auto


Worth the watch

[Slava]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

It's a myth that the more protein you eat the better. Your body can only handle so much. The general rule is 1 -1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Think vitamin c. If you overdo how much vitamin c you need for the day, what does your body do with it?

Protein shakes are a growing market. In my opinion they're overhyped, overmarketed and overpriced. Really it's what you put into working out is what you get out of it. Protein shakes are riding the coat tails of your training and they're full of fillers. Am i against protein shakes, no but prefer to put my money into a good diet.

You always get the guys in the changeroom that swear by this shake. Ten minutes later you hear the next guy swear by another shake. You gotta get it. I"m seeing huge results and i just started drinking it last week.

Anyway, here's part of an article from bodybuilding.com

Muscles Are Protein, So It Only Makes Sense To Eat More Protein, Right? Not Quite.
First you need to understand that after your protein intake has been met, any further protein consumed is just going to be broken down by the body and converted to glucose for use as fuel or be stored as body fat. From that standpoint, it's much more effective to just eat carbs straight up rather than having to go through the process of protein breakdown (gluconeogenesis).

Right and I should clarify that I'm not eating like 500g of protein a day and most people who track theirs wouldn't be either. At this point I have less than a gram per pound and haven't ever hit as much as 1.5g per pound. But eating like 200g of protein a day is a serious challenge to do that from food. That's why these shakes are useful.

[Pontine]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Always been told by my buddies that I should do more Upper and stop doing Lower.

That's some terrible advice there.

Think about it, legs are the biggest muscle group in your body. Why would you ignore that? The strength you get from working out your legs will help you with your upper body workouts.

[Righteous1]

Why not just take steroids?

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Righteous1

Why not just take steroids?

Long list of side effects. Some irreversible. Example, smaller testicles, reduced sperm, male pattern baldness, breast development and some side effects that appear years later.

Anyway, the list is too long. Lots of info everywhere.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publication...-steroid-abuse

[t0rrent98]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Forget your friends advice- never skip leg day. A good number of muscleheads do and they look like clowns.

I should rephrased what I wrote. It's not that he's telling to me skip leg days, hes telling me to do less of it. You can take my word for it but I'm no twig when it comes to Legs through I can't say the same about my Upper Body.

I'm no where near Martin St. Louis or Benson Henderson Thighs through but I'm sure someday I will get there. Heh.

Since I play Goalie for Ball and Ice, my Legs are pretty strong.

Do they also tell you to stop doing any cardio, cause it messes with your gainz? I wouldn't take workout advice from anyone who encourages you to skip leg days.

For some reason, I seem to avoid cardio. I really need to start it up for conditioning reasons. And the fact that I'm 6 feet tall weighing in at 158lbs and trying to bulk up to at least 180lbs.

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Long list of side effects. Some irreversible. Example, smaller testicles, reduced sperm, male pattern baldness, breast development and some side effects that appear years later.

Anyway, the list is too long. Lots of info everywhere.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publication...-steroid-abuse

What do you think of Nitric Oxide?

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I should rephrased what I wrote. It's not that he's telling to me skip leg days, hes telling me to do less of it. You can take my word for it but I'm no twig when it comes to Legs through I can't say the same about my Upper Body.

I'm no where near Martin St. Louis or Benson Henderson Thighs through but I'm sure someday I will get there. Heh.

Since I play Goalie for Ball and Ice, my Legs are pretty strong.

For some reason, I seem to avoid cardio. I really need to start it up for conditioning reasons. And the fact that I'm 6 feet tall weighing in at 158lbs and trying to bulk up to at least 180lbs.



What do you think of Nitric Oxide?

This is a good workout for legs and cardio. Start playing shinny a couple times and week and that will take care of your cardio for the week and your legs will get stronger. If you can try and play forward or defense because you really don't get the same cardio in net.

[burnin_vernon]

I've spent the last 5 weeks or so in the 15 rep range for a change. I was shocked at how much less weight I could lift past 10-12 reps. In the past, at the 6-12 range, I was finding myself getting very tired on my off days. Now, I am have the juice to do more cardio and I'm contemplating adding additional gym days.

Getting tired when lifting heavy was probably an indication of me inching towards turning 40. I've read that as you age, it is more beneficial to lift lighter. So far, I can't argue that.

How would staying in a 15 rep range affect my strength, endurance, appearance, or cardio? I am increasing weight at a fairly regular pace.

My goal is to have functional strength and endurance/cardio (while looking half decent). I no longer have interest in getting big; I just want to have good overall fitness. Someone like George St Pierre would be the pinnacle.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

Do they also tell you to stop doing any cardio, cause it messes with your gainz? I wouldn't take workout advice from anyone who encourages you to skip leg days.

Leg day is amazing. I used to go hard on bench/shoulders/arms and since changing from that to hardcore back and legs mostly I feel so much better. The testosterone and energy boost is huge and the muscles actually serve a purpose (e.g. posture, balance)

[peter12]

More or less, I just do a combo of bench, standing military press, squats, and deadlifts three times a week. Just with that combo, I have seen pretty decent results over the last 12 months. I've been starting to get the extra energy to add cardio days in between.

[t0rrent98]

Anybody looking to have fun while losing weight and just want to stay fit, I recommend going to this free Boot camp called 24/7 Nutrition on 3-808 Edmonton Trail NE, Calgary, AB T2E 3J6.

I've only gone there 3 times and its tough as h***, I've never done that much cardio in life, did my fitness assessment for the next bootcamp which starts in 2 weeks.

My stats for a 6 feet tall, 32 year old asian male who goes to the gym 3-4 times a week.

Chest - 36.5
Waist - 30
Hips - 37

I have a metabolism of a 12 year old. I need to consume over 3k calories and almost 170 protein. There are other stats but I don't remember them through the fitness coach will be emailing me the info soon.