I was trying to think of who the signing reminded me of........... It reminds me a lot of the Jim Vandermeer signing a few years back. Rough and tumble bottom paring D-man who also spent some time at forward.
FWIW Vandermeer had signed a 3 year term at the time for 2.3 AAV in 2008-09
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"I don't see us being bottom three, not quite in the playoffs but somewhere in between." That's the absolute worst place to be.
Better than last year? Unlikely to be bottom 3? Who will be lower? BUF, FLA, and EDM all got better since the season ended. We swapped Cammalleri for Raymond (lose big), Bollig for Westgarth (win), Engelland for Butler (tie) and maybe Johnny Hockey and Sven for Byron and Galiardi (TBD).
Yes that's right. Like I said it's my opinion. Your prediction is no better than mine. It's based on adding a solid goalie, having prospects that are likely going to be ready to make the jump and contribute, the team getting better through the season last year and the additions they've made. Buffalo, Edm, Ott, NJ, Isles, Canes and a few others could all be worse. There are a lot of teams that are very close to each other. Did you predict the order of finish of the ten worst teams last year? Doubt it.
BTW You made this same post in another thread before you edited it slightly. Any reason why you feel the need to cut and paste your posts?
GM just said on the radio that he was looking for a longer term, they had to pay more to get the 3 year term. They were able to be more "aggressive" because they had flexibility.
Trying hard to say aggressive instead of overpaying
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It's obviously an over-payment, but apparently there was a bidding war for him so he must have some positives. Won't hurt the team long term with the salary cap, because the Flames will unlikely be pressed up against the cap the next 3 seasons. Like Treliving said he will be a good mentor for the young players on this team. Plus he is a RH shot which most people here salivate over.
Only two players will probably be asking for big raises for 2015-16: Brodie and Backlund
In 2016-17 you have: Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano up for new contracts.
Meh. I almost thinking signing a guy like this is just so the Flames don't destroy the confidence of young up and coming d-men. Like, we're going to pay you really well to enjoy getting beat badly while we rebuild.
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Once again, here on CP, if anyone disagrees, they are crying babies who are overreacting. The Flames simply cannot do any wrong. Sorry, I forgot.
Most posters in this thread thought this was a terrible contract before I even posted. Once I did, the wolves were on me like clockwork.
Here's the thing. If you had just said, "god, what a terrible contract. We overpaid", a lot of people would agree with you. Hell, I agree with you. We overpaid. I just don't care about the dollars because the term isn't horrible and we are in no danger of getting cap screwed in these next three years.
However, you felt the need to make the same "Burke sucks" post FOUR TIMES in SIX minutes.
We heard you the first time. And the second.
And the third.
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Overpayment for sure, but I wouldn't quite call it a bad contract. Term is fine, we gotta hit the floor, I like the guy overall. Hope that money isn't a proble in the next few years, but I don't see it being an issue.
Fine with the signing. Now what's the starting lineup for the home opener v Vancouver?
Here's the thing. If you had just said, "god, what a terrible contract. We overpaid", a lot of people would agree with you. Hell, I agree with you. We overpaid. I just don't care about the dollars because the term isn't horrible and we are in no danger of getting cap screwed in these next three years.
However, you felt the need to make the same "Burke sucks" post FOUR TIMES in SIX minutes.
We heard you the first time. And the second.
And the third.
I never said Burke sucks. I have never said Burke sucks.
If I remember correctly you were one of the few on CP against hiring Burke as our president at the time.
All I said is that this is a Burke move. I never critiqued him as a manager.
I never said Burke sucks. I have never said Burke sucks.
If I remember correctly you were one of the few on CP against hiring Burke as our president at the time.
All I said is that this is a Burke move. I never critiqued him as a manager.
No, I am not a fan of Burke. However, my opinion of Burke is irrelevant to your posting style. As to the rest, I call bullcrap. Certainly your incessant complaining about "Burke moves" makes your opinion clear. But just in case we didn't hear you the first million times, you'll no doubt post it again, and again, and again...
No, I am not a fan of Burke. However, my opinion of Burke is irrelevant to your posting style. As to the rest, I call bullcrap. Certainly your incessant complaining about "Burke moves" makes your opinion clear. But just in case we didn't hear you the first million times, you'll no doubt post it again, and again, and again...
What is a Burke move?
Constantly fleecing all other managers who he makes trades with?
An unhealthy obsession with big, gritty hockey players?
These are observations of trends. They can be positive and negative.
Honestly, in the situation the Flames are in, evaluating whether a signing is good or not doesn't involve looking at the salary number.
I'd rather the Flames have signed Engelland at $6.9 million a season than at $0.9 million a season. $0.9 million means that the Flames might have had to sign ANOTHER player to get to the cap floor.
In the Flames situation in getting to the cap floor, overpayment is better than underpayment for players like this.
I never said Burke sucks. I have never said Burke sucks.
If I remember correctly you were one of the few on CP against hiring Burke as our president at the time.
All I said is that this is a Burke move. I never critiqued him as a manager.
Your posts were an overreaction followed by a bunch of extrapolation of what you hope this move doesn't mean, questioning managements direction and who is directing the ship.
I don't love this signing either, but at worst it will be a minor mistake given this clubs situation, and I'm willing to bet the management team is fully aware they overpaid and what the minor risks are.
But that's just it, it's at worst a slight overpayment we can afford so there's no need to get uber concerned or uber critical. The Flames had a pretty good day, let's feel good about that, versus looking for any minor piece of ammunition to jump on and overreact to so that you can attempt to justify your opinion or hypothesis' on Burke.
Honestly, in the situation the Flames are in, evaluating whether a signing is good or not doesn't involve looking at the salary number.
I'd rather the Flames have signed Engelland at $6.9 million a season than at $0.9 million a season. $0.9 million means that the Flames might have had to sign ANOTHER player to get to the cap floor.
In the Flames situation in getting to the cap floor, overpayment is better than underpayment for players like this.
Umm...I totally disagree with this thinking. I'd MUCH prefer Engelland at $0.9M (compared to $6.9M) and I would be ecstatic if the "downside" was that we had an extra $6M to spend on someone else. Chances are that person making $6M per year can help our team win! Why on earth would it makes sense to overpay by ridiculous amounts just so we can check off "hit the cap floor" on our list?!
I learned that there are a lot of fans that want a good value free agent signing no matter what the circumstances are surrounding the team need, the market, or the player in question.
I also learned that I, as a 34 year old right handed person who is over 6 foot and 220 lbs. who has never played hockey in my life, have a good chance of being signed as a right handed defenseman for the league minimum because the demand is that high. I will gladly split my $575 K salary next year with anyone who can get me into game shape in time.
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An extra mill or two to protect our best assets during their acclimation with the league is worthwhile to me. JG/Mon/K2 can all use a few body guards. Never ever can we let happen to our guys what happens to Crosby every year. Wait a minute, I just realized... Engelland was the guy that was supposed to be protecting Crosby.
