Bob McKenzie's Draft Ranking - June 23 5:30PM MT - TSN

[Bandwagon In Flames]

I love how this became the 'Should the Flames draft Ho-Sang?' thread.

Bring on the draft already..

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Igster

The Oilers will draft Ho Sang and we will laugh. End of story.

Oilers don't have a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick so I don't believe they will get the opportunity to pick him even if they wanted to.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Oilers don't have a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick so I don't believe they will get the opportunity to pick him even if they wanted to.

Maybe they'll trade for a 2nd rounder just to do this though? Just seems like a move the Oilers would make.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by fleury

The Ho-Sang stuff is bull. The guy is simply bucking the trend and creating a brand for himself. Simply put, I don't care. Having different personalities on the team is good. The question is, what do his teammates think of him. None of these articles paint him as a bad teammate or a dirty player. The talent is apparently there, so at this point I'd treat him as any other player - just one with a personal brand. No biggie.

You know who else bucked the trend and created a brand for himself? Sean Avery. And he was driven out of the league for his antics. Right or wrong, the NHL is a very conservative business. Free thinkers and authority questioners need nor apply. Whether this is just an 18 kid being an 18 year old kid or a problem going forward is the question.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

You know who else bucked the trend and created a brand for himself? Sean Avery. And he was driven out of the league for his antics. Right or wrong, the NHL is a very conservative business. Free thinkers and authority questioners need nor apply. Whether this is just an 18 kid being an 18 year old kid or a problem going forward is the question.

The question really boils down to: is Ho-Sang coachable? If you determine that he is, he's worth a pick.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by fatso

I honestly don't understand why you're arguing with me.

The kid mentioned it because it is important to him and it was included in the article because it fits with the tone or purpose of the article. I think we're agreed that the impugned comparison isn't fair but it's not really a big deal. Isn't that the end of it?

If your point, though, is that the kid shouldn't be noticing this kind of 'basketball' comparison or that it doesn't matter at all, then I think you're wrong. Frankly, I'm not sure you get it, because your analogies don't work.

Sure, if you start doing acrobatics you might get compared to the most well-known acrobatic martial artist in the world - Jackie Chan. And I agree it wouldn't matter that you're asian. But an analogy on par with Ho-Sang would be if you were being overly fanciful in your TPS reports and your boss, when criticizing you, said "don't pull any of that fancy Jackie Chan nonsense, just keep it simple." How would that be appropriate? How would that not be reductive of you as a person?

My entire point is that it's not really constructive to have mentioned it to the media if he was implying any sort of discrimination when the original comment his coach made wasn't all that harmful.

Apparently he was asked if his skin color played a role in this ranks being dropped and he responded with "definitely" and then went on the reference the globetrotter comment.

It honestly wasn't a big deal then and it's not a big deal now, if it was never a big deal why bring it up for everyone to read? If you didn't think it wasn't a big deal then why did you comment about it as if it is?

EDIT: Maybe you don't know but being a visible minority in Canada, comments in par with Ho-Sang's coach happens regularly. It's not right but it's not really worth it pay it much mind.

[fatso]

Ok Point Blank. I never commented as if the comments were a big deal. All I did was comment on what was a key piece of the article, and gave my views on that part of the article, but I was very clear I didn't think it was a big deal generally.

In any event, I'm still not sure if you're being obtuse or trolling, but I see now that you're mischaracterizing my comments and position and that's what you're responding to.