Bob Mckenzie: Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol comparing Cammy at the deadline to Iggy? such a poor argument

Feaster tried to trade Cammy all summer he is on record saying "no takers"

What record is this? Do you have a link? It must be fun to randomly make up facts. Burke is terrible, he and Feaster are two peas in a pod. But I would love to see the link to when Feaster said he was trying to trade Cammy. Burke had 3 months to trade Cammy, and he got absolutely nothing for him. Klimchuk is infinitely better value all by himself than what Burke got for his most tradeable asset between December and March of this season.

[moon]

Originally Posted by theoforever

The best you can hope for is to put down your arguments and supporting facts.
After the boss tells you 'NO' a couple of times, it is best to shut up or you will be looking for another job. You just try to win the battles you can but there is a limit. Murray is smarter than Feaster you cannot win against him.

The boss tells you no?

Feaster repeatedly said he wasn't the man for the rebuild, he misjudged the team, the team was competitive, the team was better with Jarome on it.

What evidence is there to suggest that Feaster even once went to the ownership? Because there is a ton of evidence out of his very own mouth that he was 100% on board with no rebuild.

He also in the past was very vocal about leaving TB because of ownership meddling so why hasn't he mentioned now that he is out of Clagary if that was the case?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What record is this? Do you have a link? It must be fun to randomly make up facts. Burke is terrible, he and Feaster are two peas in a pod. But I would love to see the link to when Feaster said he was trying to trade Cammy. Burke had 3 months to trade Cammy, and he got absolutely nothing for him. Klimchuk is infinitely better value all by himself than what Burke got for his most tradeable asset between December and March of this season.

again apples and oranges, especially with how cammy was playing leading up to the deadline. Vanek got a 2nd and a prospect this year


Feaster said multiple times on the fan last summer that cammy was available and there were no offers. Its common knowledge I'm not sure if the fan keeps archives that far back

[nik-]

Originally Posted by moon

The boss tells you no?

Feaster repeatedly said he wasn't the man for the rebuild, he misjudged the team, the team was competitive, the team was better with Jarome on it.

What evidence is there to suggest that Feaster even once went to the ownership? Because there is a ton of evidence out of his very own mouth that he was 100% on board with no rebuild.

He also in the past was very vocal about leaving TB because of ownership meddling so why hasn't he mentioned now that he is out of Clagary if that was the case?

He wasn't the man for the rebuild until it was how he was keeping his job.

God that man talked too much, and not in the way we wish Sutter did, in blustery, cocky without reason ways.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

again apples and oranges, especially with how cammy was playing leading up to the deadline. Vanek got a 2nd and a prospect this year


Feaster said multiple times on the fan last summer that cammy was available and there were no offers. Its common knowledge I'm not sure if the fan keeps archives that far back

Anything for Cammy is better than nothing. The mere fact that Burke Boosters bring up a weak argument completely undermines the argument that he did not trade Cammy because he was trying to increase future value in future trades. If he is doing that it is assuming a fairly static market, if the market actually changes based on supply and demand then having an epic fail and having 3 months to trade your biggest asset is just brutal. For all of Feaster's faults he at least got something for Bouw and Iggy. Burke would have probably held onto Bouw as well to increase future value of other players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Anything for Cammy is better than nothing. The mere fact that Burke Boosters bring up a weak argument completely undermines the argument that he did not trade Cammy because he was trying to increase future value in future trades. If he is doing that it is assuming a fairly static market, if the market actually changes based on supply and demand then having an epic fail and having 3 months to trade your biggest asset is just brutal. For all of Feaster's faults he at least got something for Bouw and Iggy. Burke would have probably held onto Bouw as well to increase future value of other players.

nobody wanted our "biggest asset" Cammy would have been traded a long time ago if another team wanted him...I wish I had the audio, Feaster would have taken anything to get his contract off the books last summer he said so himself "no interest"

and honestly feaster may not have got anything for Iggy, I have hope for Klimchuck but not many late first rounders turn into anything of real value. Go look at the 28th overall picks of the last 10 years

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dino7c

nobody wanted our "biggest asset" Cammy would have been traded a long time ago if another team wanted him...I wish I had the audio, Feaster would have taken anything to get his contract off the books last summer he said so himself "no interest"

Probably couldn't find another "best XX not in the NHL" to trade for.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What record is this? Do you have a link? It must be fun to randomly make up facts. Burke is terrible, he and Feaster are two peas in a pod. But I would love to see the link to when Feaster said he was trying to trade Cammy. Burke had 3 months to trade Cammy, and he got absolutely nothing for him. Klimchuk is infinitely better value all by himself than what Burke got for his most tradeable asset between December and March of this season.

making up facts?

Calgary Flames GM Jay Feaster wants everyone to know that Mike Cammalleri is available to be had.

Feaster met with the media this morning in New Jersey to discuss the team and the topic of what Cammalleri’s future in Calgary is came up. He says there’s not much trade interest in the veteran forward, but encourages GMs to pick up the phone if they’re curious.

“My number is in the directory,” Feaster said. “Give me a call.”

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...ke-cammalleri/

so that is enough of that argument

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Anything for Cammy is better than nothing. The mere fact that Burke Boosters bring up a weak argument completely undermines the argument that he did not trade Cammy because he was trying to increase future value in future trades. If he is doing that it is assuming a fairly static market, if the market actually changes based on supply and demand then having an epic fail and having 3 months to trade your biggest asset is just brutal. For all of Feaster's faults he at least got something for Bouw and Iggy. Burke would have probably held onto Bouw as well to increase future value of other players.

Feaster got garbage for Bouw with a year and a half if his deal left. If Burke gets a 3rd for Cammy it continues the reputation that started with the Phaneuf trade and lasted through the entire Feaster regime. The Calgary Flames give players away for very little.

Burke played the cards that most GM's would. The market is highest at the deadline not 3 months before. This season is the first one in years where it was a buyers market. Teams were not getting top picks or prospects for rentals. He mentioned he lowered his price but it was too late.

[dino7c]

the Feaster/Burke argument is over when it comes to Cammy...I just posted the link above

both guys tried to trade him and neither guy got anything, obviously nobody wanted him that badly

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by dino7c

... have hope for Klimchuck but not many late first rounders turn into anything of real value. Go look at the 28th overall picks of the last 10 years

Corey Perry was a 28th overall pick. But I agree with you, I have more hope for Porier

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

Corey Perry was a 28th overall pick. But I agree with you, I have more hope for Porier

likely the best ever...I would be ecstatic if Klimchuck is even a top 6 NHL player but its unlikely. Besides Feaster didnt trade for Klimchuck he traded for 2 long shots and a late 1st round pick

if the deal turns out to be half decent its all luck

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

likely the best ever...I would be ecstatic if Klimchuck is even a top 6 NHL player but its unlikely. Besides Feaster didnt trade for Klimchuck he traded for 2 long shots and a late 1st round pick

if the deal turns out to be half decent its all luck

A late pick in a very deep draft, so equivalent to top 15 in this draft?
So if it is good then it is luck, but if it is bad its Feasters fault.
Hehehe

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theoforever

A late pick in a very deep draft, so equivalent to top 15 in this draft?
So if it is good than it is luck, but if it is bad its Feasters fault.
Hehehe

no at the time of the deal its a bad trade not matter what happens...the pick was a given the prospects should have been better. What was the rush? why not ask for more and trade him on deadline day...would that Pens have really taken that offer off the table. 99.9% of the hockey world thought the Flames got robbed I'm not just pulling this outta my ass

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

no at the time of the deal its a bad trade not matter what happens...the pick was a given the prospects should have been better. What was the rush? why not ask for more and trade him on deadline day...would that Pens have really taken that offer off the table. 99.9% of the hockey world thought the Flames got robbed I'm not just pulling this outta my ass

Iginla, was on decline everyone knew it.
It was as much his fault as lack of supporting cast.
Risk was we get nothing. If Pens found out that he only wanted to go there, could have been less.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Iginla, was on decline everyone knew it.
It was as much his fault as lack of supporting cast.
Risk was we get nothing. If Pens found out that he only wanted to go there, could have been less.

how would they find that out? tampering...iginla shouldn't have been so involved

anyway we could go on and on...fact is Feaster didn't do a very good job and that is why he no longer has a job. I highly doubt he will ever again be an NHL GM

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

how would they find that out? tampering...iginla shouldn't have been so involved

anyway we could go on and on...fact is Feaster didn't do a very good job and that is why he no longer has a job. I highly doubt he will ever again be an NHL GM

Iginla was talking with Sid.
What is the penalty for tampering?
Don't care if he becomes a GM again.
We got what we got, no point crying about it.
His hands were tied.
No guarantee that Burke would have gotten more.
Lesson is that if you give NTC don't cry about it later.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Iginla was talking with Sid.
What is the penalty for tampering?
Don't care if he becomes a GM again.
We got what we got, no point crying about it.
His hands were tied.
No guarantee that Burke would have gotten more.
Lesson is that if you give NTC don't cry about it later.

not crying about anything, just saying Feaster was an bad GM and its relevant to the thread

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not crying about anything, just saying Feaster was an bad GM and its relevant to the thread

He was an average C or C+ GM.
I have seen worse here in Calgary.
He did some things right.
Got lucky with RoR.
Won some trades, didn't get enough in others.
Was always in a tough spot.

Being a Flames fan one is resigned to life of disappointment.
Still there is hope...

[dying4acup]

Don't just assume Feaster will never GM again. Remember:
#vancouverisnogood