[GDT] Dec 28 - WJC: USA vs SVK (5:30AM MT) & CZE vs CAN (9:30AM MT) TSN

[GirlySports]

I cheer for Canada in everything from Tennis to Trampoline but im just tired of Brent Sutter. Im tired of that face..destroying the flames..destroying the star studded WC team in 2012 and now this team.

Get him out of hockey canada please. Get a fresh offensive coach for the WC and next years WJC tournament at home.

[herashak]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

But it's different when you've been benched the latter third of the game for making dumb plays and taking stupid penalties.

taking penalties has nothing to do with a shootout

[moon]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

There isn't a single thing to like on Canada. They're not even top 3 in this tournament and have been out played for a number of years.

They play a crap game and the other teams have figured them out. I'd be shocked if they got anything better than Bronze.

They're also a team filled with dirty players. Dirtiest team in the tournament for sure.

What are you talking about?

Plenty to like about a bunch of 16, 17, 18 and 19 year old kids giving their all to represent their country. If you can't see that that's too bad for you.

The tournament is 3 days old how do you know who is top 3 or not.

The mighty US team finished 3rd in their group last year and won Gold so it might be a little early to count the Canadians out.

The have finished 2nd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th so not really outplayed for years and hardly a team that has been figured out. If so then every team in the tournament has been figured out based on their worse finishes.

Who on this team is dirty and why? What have they done to show they are the dirtiest team in the tournament? Since the team is filled with them should be easy to list a whole ton of guys and incidents.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by herashak

taking penalties has nothing to do with a shootout

I can't believe I have to spell this out… He was benched for playing poorly. The shootout relies on instincts and confidence. I don't know how he could have had much of the latter.

[moon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I cheer for Canada in everything from Tennis to Trampoline but im just tired of Brent Sutter. Im tired of that face..destroying the flames..destroying the star studded WC team in 2012 and now this team.

Get him out of hockey canada please. Get a fresh offensive coach for the WC and next years WJC tournament at home.

How did he destroy the WC team?

He told Getzlaf to knee a guy and hand the puck to the Slovaks?

No need to re-hash the destroy the Flames garbage.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I can't believe I have to spell this out… He was benched for playing poorly. The shootout relies on instincts and confidence. I don't know how he could have had much of the latter.

If his confidence is shot for a little benching after two penalties then he should definitely not being going 1st overall in 2015.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

There isn't a single thing to like on Canada. They're not even top 3 in this tournament and have been out played for a number of years.

They play a crap game and the other teams have figured them out. I'd be shocked if they got anything better than Bronze.

They're also a team filled with dirty players. Dirtiest team in the tournament for sure.

????? man have you lost it? Name a single dirty player on this team?

[sureLoss]

RT @markhmasters: Sutter hinted that Fucale would start Monday v Slovakia; noted Paterson would like a few back

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by moon

If his confidence is shot for a little benching after two penalties then he should definitely not being going 1st overall in 2015.

Why? These kids aren't robots.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by moon

If his confidence is shot for a little benching after two penalties then he should definitely not being going 1st overall in 2015.

Sitting there not playing for an hour and then being asked to perform in a shootout is a dumb move. If he had sat the last five minutes and then OT.. fine... but he sat virtually the entire third period.

[Red John]

Canada deservedly lost and no matter how many times Moon keeps repeating that they dominated it still isn't true.

This team is very much like the 2010 team that Willie Desjardins coached (the first to not win in six years). They insist on playing river hockey, try to score every goal on fancy one-timers, have horrible defensive zone coverage, are soft and unwilling to play physical, and have awful goaltending. An easy team to pick apart.

Give the Czechs credit - they were coached perfectly. They may not have looked flashy or dominated time of possession but clogged up the middle and didn't allow Canada the easy tap-in goal. They also shot the puck from anywhere taking advantage of Patterson who was absolute garbage.

Normally a loss early in a tournament for Canada isn't a bad thing as it keeps egos in check but what's particularly alarming is that the Canadians (minus Lazar a couple times) refuse to drive the net and score dirty goals.

An easy team to dislike even as a Canadian this year as they just don't play the Canadian way.

It also has to be alarming that the Canadian team has been progressively worse every year since 2010. It could just be a down cycle in the development of Canadian players, or it could be that other countries are beginning to catch up. But this is the first time you could legitimately say Canada is a firm underdog to win gold, in a long time.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Why? These kids aren't robots.

Because being benched in for the 3rd period in a preliminary round game should make you think about the plays you made not make you sulk and lose confidence.

These guys aren't robots but if you are expected to go first overall in a professional sports league draft your confidence shouldn't be so fragile that a little benching, deserved by the way, would make you unable to take a shoot out shot.

We aren't telling him his family was killed and asking him to make a pinpoint rifle shot to save the president it is a shootout attempt after sitting down for 25 minutes.

[GirlySports]

Wow

[moon]

Originally Posted by Red John

Canada deservedly lost and no matter how many times Moon keeps repeating that they dominated it still isn't true.

This team is very much like the 2010 team that Willie Desjardins coached (the first to not win in six years). They insist on playing river hockey, try to score every goal on fancy one-timers, have horrible defensive zone coverage, are soft and unwilling to play physical, and have awful goaltending. An easy team to pick apart.

Give the Czechs credit - they were coached perfectly. They may not have looked flashy or dominated time of possession but clogged up the middle and didn't allow Canada the easy tap-in goal. They also shot the puck from anywhere taking advantage of Patterson who was absolute garbage.

It isn't just repeating it, it is pointing out examples and watching the play.

You honestly think that the Czech team played well today? They scored two fluke goals and two terrible plays from the goalie to get their 4 goals. They didn't create chances, they didn't threaten Canada. They also then relied on a lot of blocked shots (some on purpose other just hit them) and posts to keep Canada from scoring. They didn't use their sticks to get the puck off of Canada, they didn't use smart postioning to prevent Canada from getting into good scoring opportunities they collapsed in front of the net and prayed.

It also has to be alarming that the Canadian team has been progressively worse every year since 2010. It could just be a down cycle in the development of Canadian players, or it could be that other countries are beginning to catch up. But this is the first time you could legitimately say Canada is a firm underdog to win gold, in a long time.

In 2010 they lost one game in OT and were easily the best team that tournament.

In 2011 they were dominant until a collapse in the 3rd period and again the best team in the tournament.

In 2012, they again lost 1 game by 1 goal in which they played better than the Russians but did lose.

Last year were 1-1 against the Gold Medal American team and didn't bother to show up in the Bronze Medal game.

So I think their demise is a little exeraggerated. They were the best team in the tournament and lost razor thin games in 3 of the last 4 years.

I would say that it isn't a downturn just a case of Canada not getting the lucky breaks they did when they won 5 in a row. Also a case where now there are 5 teams that are competitive pretty much every tournament where previous years it was only 3 that had a chance to win. Other countries have been moving closer to Canada and our biggest advantage (depth) doesn't always help us out in these one game tournaments.

[KelVarnsen]

This thread has gone full moon. I've said it before, never go full moon. Yikes.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by moon

Because being benched in for the 3rd period in a preliminary round game should make you think about the plays you made not make you sulk and lose confidence.

Never said anything about sulking.

These guys aren't robots but if you are expected to go first overall in a professional sports league draft your confidence shouldn't be so fragile that a little benching, deserved by the way, would make you unable to take a shoot out shot.

Who said he would be unable to take a shot? I don't know why you find it so hard to believe that a benching could affect confidence to the point of it affecting what you do in the shootout. Confidence issues can affect seasoned vets, I don't know why you think it shouldn't affect this teenager.

We aren't telling him his family was killed and asking him to make a pinpoint rifle shot to save the president it is a shootout attempt after sitting down for 25 minutes.

Just going to ignore this. Over the top even for you, moon.

[sa226]

I'm actually impressed with moon. I thought he was a one trick pony. But he has found multiple ways to be insufferable.

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[moon]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Who said he would be unable to take a shot? I don't know why you find it so hard to believe that a benching could affect confidence to the point of it affecting what you do in the shootout. Confidence issues can affect seasoned vets, I don't know why you think it shouldn't affect this teenager.

I am not so sure why you find it hard to believe that a benching could have no affect on a kid taking a shoot out attempt. It is a shoot out attempt in a preliminary game. I imagine he has taken 10,000 breakaway shots in practice, games, on the outdoor rink with friends etc. It is an easy thing for a kid like him to do.

Just going to ignore this. Over the top even for you, moon.

Alright then not really over the top at all but no need to drag this on any more.

[GirlySports]

Putting on the maple leaf and playing in a tournament shown across the country is a really big deal (preliminary game or not). Those kids are nervous as hell under normal circumstances let alone being a goal behind all the time plus OT plus shootout.

Plus Canada isn't supposed to lose but hasn't won in 4 years. That adds to everything in a short tournament.

[stemit14]

I know it's just one shootout loss but I disagreed with the decision from sutter to have very little competition for making the team by only inviting 3 extra players to the training camp. I'm not saying for sure guys like jankowski, poirier, klimchuk, etc. would have made the team... But they at least could have been given a shot and forced everyone to earn their spot. Who knows... Jankowski and poirier might have actually found a spot on this team if they were given the chance.

He used last year as an example of inviting guys that weren't going to make the team... But that was during a lockout when there was lots of extra highly developed players available for the world juniors.