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Old 05-25-2013, 07:16 PM   #301
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French soldier stabbed in Paris
A French soldier patrolling a business area of western Paris was stabbed in the neck on Saturday by a man who quickly fled the scene and was still being sought, a police source said.

French daily Le Parisien cited police sources as saying the suspected attacker was a bearded man of North African origin about 30 years old, and was wearing an Arab-style garment under his jacket.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-in-Paris.html
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Old 05-26-2013, 08:23 PM   #302
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Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

So it's really a question of how you define words like "persecution" and "them". Is denying Sharia law persectution? Is allowing freedom of speech against muslim (and all religions) persecution? Does "them" include random people on the street? Canada has troops in Afghanistan, is every Canadian thereby a target?

To say islam forbids terrorism is just as ridiculous as saying it promotes it. It, like all religions, is an ideology that can be twisted to promote either peace or war. This is why we need to live in a country with the rule of law. Religious officials should not replace elected ones.

I am myself an Athiest but I have studied religion a bit and that particular passage is based on a time of some sort of a small scale battle between the newly formed muslm political group and those who were against the forming of such group by mohamed. One has to understand that quran is nothing but a collection of letters, sayings, "sermons" and arguments presented by mohamed. Its really not a "book" per se.

The concept of "sharia-law" is actually an entirely different evolution than the infant islam during mohamed's time. Of course, it is based on the traditions of the past and has no place in today's society and that what a lot of religious people have trouble reconciling with. Its the idealism thats the problem. Some (mslims and nonmuslims alike) mistakenly take that passage, without any knowledge of history (and anthropology), and think it applies as a general rule when it really doesn't.

Even with studying history, its very hard to take a passage and really get the feel for it.
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I am myself an Athiest but I have studied religion a bit and that particular passage is based on a time of some sort of a small scale battle between the newly formed muslm political group and those who were against the forming of such group by mohamed. One has to understand that quran is nothing but a collection of letters, sayings, "sermons" and arguments presented by mohamed. Its really not a "book" per se.

The concept of "sharia-law" is actually an entirely different evolution than the infant islam during mohamed's time. Of course, it is based on the traditions of the past and has no place in today's society and that what a lot of religious people have trouble reconciling with. Its the idealism thats the problem. Some (mslims and nonmuslims alike) mistakenly take that passage, without any knowledge of history (and anthropology), and think it applies as a general rule when it really doesn't.

Even with studying history, its very hard to take a passage and really get the feel for it.
I don't disagree with you in any way. Especially about the issue of religious text in context.

My point was that islam, like all religions, can be twisted by the individual to justify or even encourage violence. The old testament especially is full of similar passages, that when taken out of context, could be used to justify some pretty horrible things.
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From the National Counterterrorism Center: Annex of Statistical Information - Country Reports on Terrorism 2011

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195555.htm

Relevant excerpts:
"Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third consecutive year. More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities." [al-Qa‘ida falls into this category.]

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"In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 percent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years."
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From the National Counterterrorism Center: Annex of Statistical Information - Country Reports on Terrorism 2011

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195555.htm

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"Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third consecutive year. More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities." [al-Qa‘ida falls into this category.]

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"In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 percent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years."
The overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks are done in Afghanistan and Iraq. The locals are usually the victims.
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The overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks are done in Afghanistan and Iraq. The locals are usually the victims.
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Yup, same report: "The Near East and South Asia suffered 7,721 attacks and 9,236 deaths. The majority of those occurred in just three countries — Afghanistan , Iraq and Pakistan — which, together, accounted for 85 percent of attacks in these regions and almost 64 percent of attacks worldwide. While attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq decreased from 2010 by 14 and 16 percent, respectively, attacks in Pakistan increased by 8 percent."
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#### me - religion sucks bollocks.
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Religion, in my opinion, is the worst plaque on this planet. I lose respect for ALL heavily religious people (as in they don't believe evolution, or equality etc...) the moment I find out that they practice. That includes my own parents and family.
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Religion, in my opinion, is the worst plaque on this planet. I lose respect for ALL heavily religious people (as in they don't believe evolution, or equality etc...) the moment I find out that they practice. That includes my own parents and family.
I rank it 3rd worst plague after Canuck fans and Bieber.
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Religion, in my opinion, is the worst plaque on this planet. I lose respect for ALL heavily religious people (as in they don't believe evolution, or equality etc...) the moment I find out that they practice. That includes my own parents and family.
So you are intolerant of intolerant people?
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Religion, in my opinion, is the worst plaque on this planet. I lose respect for ALL heavily religious people (as in they don't believe evolution, or equality etc...) the moment I find out that they practice. That includes my own parents and family.
I have a real lack of respect for intolerant people, the moment I find out their intolerant I shut them out completely.

I respect peoples beliefs to an extent and their freedom to believe or practice or whatever. As long as its not criminal or harmful or whatever it doesn't effect me.

But I don't go out of my way to belittle people that have beliefs or make fun of their beliefs. I can chose to be respectful, or debate, as long as I'm not being an a##hole about it
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I have a real lack of respect for intolerant people, the moment I find out their intolerant I shut them out completely.

I respect peoples beliefs to an extent and their freedom to believe or practice or whatever. As long as its not criminal or harmful or whatever it doesn't effect me.

But I don't go out of my way to belittle people that have beliefs or make fun of their beliefs. I can chose to be respectful, or debate, as long as I'm not being an a##hole about it
This. I to prefer to use logic to dictate my life, but I refuse to "shut people out" who don't if they're good people otherwise. Especially when atheism is used to as a tool to show some sort of "haha I'm better than those people" attitude
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Religion, in my opinion, is the worst plaque on this planet. I lose respect for ALL heavily religious people (as in they don't believe evolution, or equality etc...) the moment I find out that they practice. That includes my own parents and family.
There are religious people who believe in evolution. There are also non religious people who don't believe in evolution. Keep being ignorant though, you're really good at that.
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There are religious people who believe in evolution.
There's only one reason why some muslims believe in evolution. because the Quran doesn't have a chronology of creation, but if on page one it stated that the easter bunny created everyone...the bunny would be famous!

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Link? must be a very small sample size.

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Keep being ignorant though, you're really good at that.
Why is Polak ignorant? He's 100% right,without religion racism would shrink to almost nothing not to mention the billions of $$$ each year donated to/for churches/mosques could be used for actually helping the sick,homeless and hungry.
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There's only one reason why some muslims believe in evolution. because the Quran doesn't have a chronology of creation, but if on page one it stated that the easter bunny created everyone...the bunny would be famous!
no one mentioned muslims, I said religious people.
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http://io9.com/does-the-new-pope-bel...tion-453874239

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Why is Polak ignorant? He's 100% right,without religion racism would shrink to almost nothing not to mention the billions of $$$ each year donated to/for churches/mosques could be used for actually helping the sick,homeless and hungry.
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no one mentioned muslims, I said religious people.
You didn't have too

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Your post was so absurd you deserved nothing more. I laugh that there are still people like you with your twisted beliefs.

Without religion racism would vanish? Please explain that.
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Meanwhile the crap is hitting the fan in Britain,

-A mosque was set a blaze Sunday,

-The English Defence League demonstrated in the town's center the morning before the fire. On Monday, hundreds of EDL supporters marched near the central London office of Prime Minister David Cameron.

-In a demonstration in Newcastle on Saturday, angry supporters cried out for Muslims to leave the country.

-The EDL claims Islamic law is poised to overthrow British society and calls for Britons to act aggressively to pre-empt it.
"If we fail to show courage now, we will leave revolution, civil war or subjugation to our children and our children's children," reads the motto on the EDL's website. "Any act of muslim extremism will now be countered by the EDL," it vows on its Facebook page.

-Members of the EDL clashed with police near the scene of Ribgy's killing last week. A tweet from its official account proclaimed then that "it's fair to say that finally the country is waking up!:-) NO SURRENDER!"

-Britain is forming a task force that will examine the dynamics behind extremist groups in the country, Prime Minister David Cameron's office announced Sunday.
The group, led by Cameron, will "have a general focus on extremist groups, but accept that in practice the greatest threat is from Islamist extremists," a statement from Downing Street said.
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Why is Polak ignorant? He's 100% right,without religion racism would shrink to almost nothing not to mention the billions of $$$ each year donated to/for churches/mosques could be used for actually helping the sick,homeless and hungry.
....and that money is not used to help the sick, homless and hungry?
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Your post was so absurd you deserved nothing more. I laugh that there are still people like you with your twisted beliefs.

Without religion racism would vanish? Please explain that.
How dumb are you? are you saying racism has nothing to do with religion?

Here's religion in a nutshell, can you really not see racism

Religion is a poison created long ago that people have still not been able to move past and get out of their systems. It #######izes anything and everything it can preaching damnation, homophobia, violence, and fairy tales to the masses of weak minded people in the world.

1. In a world without religion science is no longer opposed by the ignorant
2. Science would have boomed and we would be 3 times as advanced as we are now
3. The Jews would have less cultural opposition(Palestinian, European etc) and there would be no religious terrorists meaning:
4. 9/11 would not have happened
5. The war in Iraq would not have happened
6. The London train bombings would not have happened
7. The mass cult suicides would not happen
8. Children would not be molested by the Catholic Church
9. People would have more personal responsibility and self respect because they would understand that this life is all they have and they should live it to the fullest
10. More charity organizations would be opened and more money would be given to them due to no more churches raking the money in
11. More taxes would be given to the government instead of to the church and the economy would stabilize.
12. The Nazi party would not have been fueled or funded by the Catholic Church and subsequently anti-Semitism
13. Hitler would not have been inspired by religious anti-Semitic Nordic Aryan blood myths
14. The holocaust would never have happened
15. Homophobia would not exist
16. Middle eastern racism would not exist
17. Slavery would not have been justified and therefore would not have been promoted meaning far less racism and poverty in America
18. The Spanish inquisition that tortured to death over 500,000 people would never have happened
19. The crusades that killed from 1,000,000 to 9,000,000 people would never have happened
20. The burning of witches, homosexuals, the mentally unstable, and women would never have happened saving countless hundreds of thousands of innocents throughout history
21. The spread of AIDS in Africa would be slowed considerably
22. The genocide of the North American Indians would never have happened
23. The genocide of the Central American Indians would never have happened
24. The genocide of the South American Indians would never have happened
25. Women would not be as oppressed and sexism overall would not exist in such abundance
26. Fanatical religious terrorist extremists would not exist and countless hundreds of thousands of innocents would not have died
27. The Japanese would not have massacred, raped, pillaged, and tortured the Chinese or have bombed Pearl Harbor
28. The genocide of the Armenians by the Turks would never have happened
29. People would not believe in a giant invisible ancient Middle Eastern desert spirit in the sky who gives a #### about them
30. Iran would not rape and murder innocent young girls under Koranic law
31. Saddam Hussein would not have massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people
32. World War 2 would never have happened
33. Manifest Destiny preached by Van Buren in the Second Great Awakening would never have happened and the Mexican American War would have been avoided
34. Numerous other atrocities would never have happened

Overall the world would be unquestionably a better place where life is valued infinitely more. Yet people still persist in spreading religion around more and more, simultaneously spreading hate and ignorance. Getting rid of religion right now would create a world where people are free to think and live without fear of hellfire, where tolerance is widespread, where life is valued, where science is celebrated, where advancement is common, where poverty is drastically reduced, where monopolization is constantly question and kept under control, where there is no justified hatred, stoning, burning, or rape. Where people no longer blow themselves and other people to smoldering oblivion. Where there is no more war, where AIDS is reduced, where reality is understood and accepted, where philosophy is free, and where people can embrace the world for all that it is and take responsibility for their actions and hard work. This is the future we need to work towards. Get rid of religion and the world is a better place.
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