Ken King Interveiw w/bob McCown

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Again, that doesn't make sense. Boston was on his list, he was informed that deal with Boston has been made, period. There should have been no other option.

Giving Iginla 3 deals to choose from is ridiculous. What is he choosing? Players coming back don't matter to him at all. He either played them knowing he only accepts Pittsburgh or he changed his mind after telling them he's OK with 4 teams. Giving him names of players that are coming back to "choose from" is ridiculous.

He was choosing teams, not deals, and okayed Boston, then changed his mind.

I don't get why it's so hard to understand. Iginla has an NMC. He gave a list of 4 teams in which he's "willing" to waive his NMC to to go. That doesn't mean he has waived his NMC. Iginla has no way of knowing whether the teams that are on his list are interested in him, and as matter of fact, only 3 out of the 4 teams on his list made an offer. All three offers were "acceptable" offers to the Flames. So Feaster then went to Iginla and told Iginla about Boston's offer. Iginla probably asked whether there were other teams on his list that made an offer and Feaster must have told Iginla that the Penguins also made an acceptable offer. Iginla then decided that he preferred the Penguins and Feaster had to and or chose to comply.

As for your other points, I'm not sure if Iginla knew what the exact offer from each team were and I'm not sure if Iginla necessarily "changed his mind." Fact is that Iginla had an NMC. If he wanted to know what players were coming back in return before he waived his NMC, Feaster had to comply. That makes sense since Iginla wants to win a Cup and he wouldn't be too happy if a player coming back in return was a player that hurt his chances of winning the Cup with his new team. Also, Iginla only give a list of teams he was willing to accept a trade to. That doesn't mean he didn't have a preference and that doesn't mean he won't push for his preference. Again, Iginla held all the power.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Its hard to understand because it doesn't make sense to supply a list of teams you are willing to accept and then refuse to waive your NTC when the sweepstakes have been won by one of them.

From what Chiarelli said its pretty clear than both he and Feaster thought the deal is pretty much done since Boston was on the pre-approved list and then when Feaster asked Iginla to formally sign the waiver he was told no.

I don't believe that Feaster made a deal with Boston, told Boston they had a deal and then went to present Iginla with 3 different options to choose from. Thats nonsense even for Feaster. They thought Iginla will waive the NTC to go to Boston, they weren't offering Pitts as an option before Iginla rejected Boston.

[Roof-Daddy]

Feaster was too lenient with the player IMO, and got burned......at least that's what it sounds like to me. He is supposed to get the list in writing and have the player sign off on it, sounds like he didn't do that. Once that happens, the player is completely out of the process and you try you get the best deal while negotiating with the teams on the list.

Because the player didn't sign off on his list, he still had all the power and at some point Iginla decided he really wanted to go to Pittsburgh......maybe that's where he wanted to go from the beginning, but still gave Jay other options in case Pittsburgh wasn't all that interested, or to at least give Jay a little leverage in negotiations.

Of course, it is possible that Iggy agreed to waive, but wouldn't agree to sign off on a list.

It's really hard to place blame on anybody in this situation, without knowing all the facts. Of course, that isn't going to stop most people here though.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Its hard to understand because it doesn't make sense to supply a list of teams you are willing to accept and then refuse to waive your NTC when the sweepstakes have been won by one of them.

From what Chiarelli said its pretty clear than both he and Feaster thought the deal is pretty much done since Boston was on the pre-approved list and then when Feaster asked Iginla to formally sign the waiver he was told no.

I don't believe that Feaster made a deal with Boston, told Boston they had a deal and then went to present Iginla with 3 different options to choose from. Thats nonsense even for Feaster. They thought Iginla will waive the NTC to go to Boston, they weren't offering Pitts as an option before Iginla rejected Boston.

We may never know, it is quite possible Iggy got a call from some Pitts players when they heard he was possibly heading to Boston.

[PeteLFan]

Feaster said numerous times, the player was involved, and worked with the team. That tells you right there that Iginla had the final sign off on any deal, no the Calgary Flames.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

They thought Iginla will waive the NTC to go to Boston, they weren't offering Pitts as an option before Iginla rejected Boston.

According to King, that's not true.

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Again, that doesn't make sense. Boston was on his list, he was informed that deal with Boston has been made, period. There should have been no other option.

Giving Iginla 3 deals to choose from is ridiculous. What is he choosing? Players coming back don't matter to him at all. He either played them knowing he only accepts Pittsburgh or he changed his mind after telling them he's OK with 4 teams. Giving him names of players that are coming back to "choose from" is ridiculous.

He was choosing teams, not deals, and okayed Boston, then changed his mind.

Think of it like this: you show up at a bar with your buddy and you point out 4 women you'd be willing to go home with. At closing time, 3 of them make it clear that they're into you. Do you have to go with the first one who showed interest, or do you get to pick your favorite of those 3?

If only the Bruins had made an acceptable offer and he'd still refused to accept the trade, I'd agree with your point, but that's not what happened. Iginla was contractually allowed to make the final decision, and he never agreed to give up that right. I wouldn't have either. There's no reason to limit yourself to the 9 until you find out whether the 10 is interested.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Feaster was too lenient with the player IMO, and got burned......at least that's what it sounds like to me. He is supposed to get the list in writing and have the player sign off on it, sounds like he didn't do that. Once that happens, the player is completely out of the process and you try you get the best deal while negotiating with the teams on the list.

Because the player didn't sign off on his list, he still had all the power and at some point Iginla decided he really wanted to go to Pittsburgh......maybe that's where he wanted to go from the beginning, but still gave Jay other options in case Pittsburgh wasn't all that interested, or to at least give Jay a little leverage in negotiations.

Of course, it is possible that Iggy agreed to waive, but wouldn't agree to sign off on a list.

It's really hard to place blame on anybody in this situation, without knowing all the facts. Of course, that isn't going to stop most people here though.

That's pretty much the way i see it also. Some have mentioned that maybe Iggy would not sign the letter but i have a hard time believing that. It was standard protocol and i doubt it would have offended Iggy. Flames messed up, and my bet is Mehaan saw it from the begining. It did not help that during the 2-3 week wait, that Pitt went on an incredible win streak, a win streak without Malkin and even Letang for a handful of games. If Boston had gone on that win streak and Pitt went 5-4 like Boston did things might have been reveresed.

I also don't believe that the flames thought both proposals were close to each other. I know they said they did but it really does not look like it. Each of the 2 players individualy, from the Boston proposal as an asset value have more value than either player coming back from the Pitt deal.

I put no blame on this situation on Iggy. He did not have to submit a list and could have played out the season and left for nothing. The flames could have gotten a better return if they just did their due diligence.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Feaster was too lenient with the player IMO, and got burned......at least that's what it sounds like to me. He is supposed to get the list in writing and have the player sign off on it, sounds like he didn't do that. Once that happens, the player is completely out of the process and you try you get the best deal while negotiating with the teams on the list.

Because the player didn't sign off on his list, he still had all the power and at some point Iginla decided he really wanted to go to Pittsburgh......maybe that's where he wanted to go from the beginning, but still gave Jay other options in case Pittsburgh wasn't all that interested, or to at least give Jay a little leverage in negotiations.

Of course, it is possible that Iggy agreed to waive, but wouldn't agree to sign off on a list.

It's really hard to place blame on anybody in this situation, without knowing all the facts. Of course, that isn't going to stop most people here though.

Makes you wonder if Feaster lacks experience (or his hands are tied) in some important areas since we seem to keep getting the short end of the stick over and over... It's too bad too because it seems to be contributing to the organizations regression instead of potential win's for the organization. We can't seem to follow a straight plan, I am not even sure we have one now. We are like an army of soldiers that used us all our rations because we had a poor plan of attack.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Makes you wonder if Feaster lacks experience (or his hands are tied) in some important areas since we seem to keep getting the short end of the stick over and over... It's too bad too because it seems to be contributing to the organizations regression instead of potential win's for the organization. We can't seem to follow a straight plan, I am not even sure we have one now. We are like an army of soldiers that used us all our rations because we had a poor plan of attack.

I don't think it's experience, I'm pretty sure he had to do the same thing when he traded Richards from Tampa to Dallas.

[Flash Walken]

Relax guys, this is just the eastern media conspiracy out to get the Flames once again.

The owners aren't meddling and neither is King. I wish the rest of you wouldn't post like it was obvious or a foregone conclusion at this point. King even did a radio interview where he even defined what meddling would be and said, personally, that he didn't do it.

Who are you going to believe? The guy who is in the room (not) making the decisions, or a cabal of national media hell bent of going out of there way to make the Flames look bad?

Absolute faith in the current management team is necessary.

Feaster has made good moves, with an eye on the future, making the team younger.

It's all part of the Rock Solid Plan.

I can't wait for the next shoe to drop!

[browna]

The more public exposure this topic can get, the better. The local guys (the same interview where the ROR topic wasn't even asked by the radio guys, the interview where KK, unprompted, defined meddling) probably are intimidated, knowing the pull a guy like KK has around town. So it needs to be those outside media guys who, through big news stories and situations such as the Iginla trade, have reason to care/talk about the Flames and examine both the story and the story behind the story, a little closer. From that, wonder out loud who's making the decisions/mistakes, and yeah, stir the pot a little bit if they smell something they don't like (rightly or wrongly). That fits the Eastern guys to a tee.

Hopefully the HNIC guys will discuss this again tonight (can't imagine they won't, as a big a story as it was this week, and, Iginla playing today before HNIC), and more light gets shone on it again and more questions asked...it's the only way to get anything to change, or start to change for those in the Flames upper management.

A guy like Murray Edwards, now hoping to take on Hotchkiss' role at the NHL in some form, cannot be liking the negative attention that this team is garnering this last month or two, amplified with the unclear terms of Iginla's departure as yet another seeming snafu after the ROR thing.

I imagine that these mistakes and the reputation it's leading to, is a pretty big hit to his ego as a businessman and within the league circles he's trying to further entrench himself in, and he's got to address it in some way, shape or form, before this franchise is the joke of the league...it's not, yet, but getting there much more quickly then it really should be.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Relax guys, this is just the eastern media conspiracy out to get the Flames once again.

The owners aren't meddling and neither is King. I wish the rest of you wouldn't post like it was obvious or a foregone conclusion at this point. King even did a radio interview where he even defined what meddling would be and said, personally, that he didn't do it.

Who are you going to believe? The guy who is in the room (not) making the decisions, or a cabal of national media hell bent of going out of there way to make the Flames look bad?

Absolute faith in the current management team is necessary.

Feaster has made good moves, with an eye on the future, making the team younger.

It's all part of the Rock Solid Plan.

I can't wait for the next shoe to drop!

I have to presume this is green text.

For me, either Ken King and ownerhip meddle, making it harder for Feaster to do his job, or they don't meddle, making Feaster one of the worst GM's in the league.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I have to presume this is green text.

For me, either Ken King and ownerhip meddle, making it harder for Feaster to do his job, or they don't meddle, making Feaster one of the worst GM's in the league.

...Or, as would be typical, a bit from column A and a bit from column B...

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Relax guys, this is just the eastern media conspiracy out to get the Flames once again.

The owners aren't meddling and neither is King. I wish the rest of you wouldn't post like it was obvious or a foregone conclusion at this point. King even did a radio interview where he even defined what meddling would be and said, personally, that he didn't do it.

Who are you going to believe? The guy who is in the room (not) making the decisions, or a cabal of national media hell bent of going out of there way to make the Flames look bad?

Absolute faith in the current management team is necessary.

Feaster has made good moves, with an eye on the future, making the team younger.

It's all part of the Rock Solid Plan.

I can't wait for the next shoe to drop!

New colour designation - purple kool-aid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by gargamel

According to King, that's not true.



Think of it like this: you show up at a bar with your buddy and you point out 4 women you'd be willing to go home with. At closing time, 3 of them make it clear that they're into you. Do you have to go with the first one who showed interest, or do you get to pick your favorite of those 3?

If only the Bruins had made an acceptable offer and he'd still refused to accept the trade, I'd agree with your point, but that's not what happened. Iginla was contractually allowed to make the final decision, and he never agreed to give up that right. I wouldn't have either. There's no reason to limit yourself to the 9 until you find out whether the 10 is interested.

That bolded part is true and I think that is what King was getting at, but also according to King, they were quite certain they had a deal with the Bruins and that is where Iginla was being sent. It seems quite obvious that something wasn't communicated between Iginla/Meehan to the Flames. The Flames obviously thought that they had Iginla's word that any of those 4 teams were acceptable.

Whose fault it was for the miscommunication is definitely up for debate, but we are talking about Meehan here. This guy is about as sneaky as they come and has a lot of influence over his clients (he twice had Iginla hold out during contract negotiations). I know we are all thankful for the many years of service from Iginla and I appreciate that he is a nice guy, but he has always looked out for #1.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That bolded part is true and I think that is what King was getting at, but also according to King, they were quite certain they had a deal with the Bruins and that is where Iginla was being sent. It seems quite obvious that something wasn't communicated between Iginla/Meehan to the Flames. The Flames obviously thought that they had Iginla's word that any of those 4 teams were acceptable.

Whose fault it was for the miscommunication is definitely up for debate, but we are talking about Meehan here. This guy is about as sneaky as they come and has a lot of influence over his clients (he twice had Iginla hold out during contract negotiations). I know we are all thankful for the many years of service from ...Iginla and I appreciate that he is a nice guy, but he has always looked out for #1.

In other words, in the scheme of things Iggy made a business decision to go to Pittsburgh and Ken King and the Flames got the low end of the bargain once again.. Flames probably should have started shopping Iggy around 3 years ago and held out for the best overall deal. Because we waited until the last minute we really didn't have leverage in terms of a good return. This is one reason I think we should hold on to Bouwmeester until we absolutely get the best deal. We can't afford to trade him for another bag of pucks and I do believe some teams know he can play better than he has shown with the Flames in the past.

[jayswin]

God I wish we didn't need green text, but apparantly we do. How do people miss sarcasm so often on CP?I mean, for starters it's FlashWalken, then you read through the post just dripping with sarcasm. "I can't wait for the other shoe to drop!". C'mon guys, seriously.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Unlikely, as it doesn't make sense. Why would Iginla care "which offer is the best and choose one" if he gave 4 teams he would go to? Makes zero sense for him to even look at trades. He looks and Boston deal and thinks "Bartkowski? No way I am getting traded for this guy?" I don't think so.

So the point 5 is "Flames told Iginla there's a deal with Boston and asked him to formally waive his NTC and Iggy said I don't want to go to Boston I want to go to Pittsburgh"

Listen to it again.

NOBODY has said anything about Jarome looking over the 'deals'.

1) Jarome gave the Flames 4 teams he would be willing to waive to go to and play.
2) THREE (3) teams responded with interest and firm offers
3) Feaster than got back to Jarome's agent and perhaps Jarome as well, notifying their camp that these three teams are interested, AND THEN asking which team Jarome prefers to go.

As far as I know, they did NOT show Jarome what the specific deals were. They handled this deal in a somewhat 'different' manner as they wanted to send Jarome to his most preferential team, Jarome gave them them a list of 4 teams so they could get offers . Had Pittsburgh felt that Jarome was not right for them (and a possibility - many here speculated that Jarome would not fit on that team, or didn't want to 'upset the chemistry', amongst other speculation), then Jarome would have picked his next most preferred team - Boston or LA.

This is what people don't really understand. Calgary made a 'deal' with 3 teams that showed interest. Only Boston was leaked out. After making THOSE DEALS, they went back to the Jarome camp, notified him that these THREE TEAMS are interested and have given us firm offers, which one do you want to go to? Jarome answered Pittsburgh - of course his preferred destination.

Chiarreli himself stated that 'these things happen more than you know' and 'especially with players that have some sort of NMC'. They started suspecting it and expected it, but it was 'leaked' to the media.

Calgary didn't appear to approach Jarome and say: "This is the team we traded you for, please waive" - and it sounds like that didn't happen. It appears the Flames were trying to be classy and gave Jarome the opportunity to pick his own team. Jarome could have easily said at the beginning of this whole mess: "I will only go to Pittsburgh" - good luck getting a 1st then. Pittsburgh could very well NOT have been interested in Jarome. In this way, Calgary got legitimate (though still underwhelming) offers for Jarome, and Jarome got an opportunity to pick from a list of teams that reciprocated interest.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

In other words, in the scheme of things Iggy made a business decision to go to Pittsburgh and Ken King and the Flames got the low end of the bargain once again.. Flames probably should have started shopping Iggy around 3 years ago and held out for the best overall deal. Because we waited until the last minute we really didn't have leverage in terms of a good return. This is one reason I think we should hold on to Bouwmeester until we absolutely get the best deal. We can't afford to trade him for another bag of pucks and I do believe some teams know he can play better than he has shown with the Flames in the past.

Was the Boston deal THAT much better? It is ARGUABLY better. Flames seemed to like it a bit better, but like Ken King said - the Boston package was not significantly better than the Pittsburgh one.

You can bet that Bouwmeester will be asked to waive and supply a list of teams, and the Flames will be making the best trade they can and then simply announcing it. They made an exception for Jarome due to his long standing history with the organization, what he meant to this team, and to the city. I still think the full intention was to send Jarome to whatever team he preferred.

I also stated a long time ago on these forums that the "Not re-signing Jarome" this season was probably a mutual decision. It certainly appears that all the pieces fit.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Was the Boston deal THAT much better? It is ARGUABLY better. Flames seemed to like it a bit better, but like Ken King said - the Boston package was not significantly better than the Pittsburgh one.

You can bet that Bouwmeester will be asked to waive and supply a list of teams, and the Flames will be making the best trade they can and then simply announcing it. They made an exception for Jarome due to his long standing history with the organization, what he meant to this team, and to the city. I still think the full intention was to send Jarome to whatever team he preferred.

I also stated a long time ago on these forums that the "Not re-signing Jarome" this season was probably a mutual decision. It certainly appears that all the pieces fit.

Pretty much agree with everything you said, my gut feeling too that this was a mutual "prior" decision/discussion between the two parties. That said, the Flames were still left with very few options in the end having left the final say in Iggy's hands.