iPhone vs Android

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

You know, I think I see your point. How dare Apple make a cable that makes my life easier, they should have given me a more inconvenient cable to show that they are better.

Now I have to buy all new cables because my old ones were mini-USB.

Speaking of which, how dare Samsung use a micro-USB adapter when I have mini-USB plugs! ######tards! If I went with an S3 I'd have to buy all new cables.

Seriously though, you own a Samsung and take advantage of using old cables. Others like the new Lightning plug and the fact they don't have to fiddle with it. Not everyone buying the iPhone has all the accessories, some are upgrading from other phones (like me).

At the end of the day, why do you care?

Because it turns normally rational people like Reaper into guys you want to throw on your ignore list with the Canuck fans.

and it's not just guys on the internet. it's real life people i know. It's like trying to talk politics with republicans and if you say the wrong thing you are all against them. It's pretty fricking terrible.

hahaha. Look at all this anger and resentment over a flipping usb 2.0 cable! just mind bottling.

umm also the s3 is my first samsung smart phone. All the other phone use a micro usb plug too. LG, HTC, Motorola, even Blackberry. Which means 70% of smart phones on earth uses the micro usb plug.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well that is exactly what they did. Sure, its more sturdy, but the whole thing reeks of a huge money grab.

I can modify my microUSB charger in about 20 min to make it charge my phone faster. I'm sure if Apple would have wanted too they could have come up with something similar.

It's not the same thing as USB with a different connector on the other end. It's a port that can be programatically reconfigured to handle multiple data protocols and physical/electrical signalling systems using a common set of pins, in an undifferentiated physical orientation.

You cannot modify a microUSB to do any of what this connector is capable of - because it's just a USB controller sitting on the other side of the phone's connector, which has a fixed function tied to physical outputs with fixed orientation.

Just because we aren't running protocols other than USB 2.0 over this cable today doesn't mean we won't be using it for a variety of existing, as well as upcoming protocols, in the future. Apple's intent is to keep this same connector style for quite a while (the 30 pin connector lasted what, 8-10 years?), so it needs to be adaptable.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

and it's not just guys on the internet. it's real life people i know. It's like trying to talk politics with republicans and if you say the wrong thing you are all against them. It's pretty fricking terrible.

hahaha. Look at all this anger and resentment over a flipping usb 2.0 cable! just mind bottling.

umm also the s3 is my first samsung smart phone. All the other phone use a micro usb plug too. LG, HTC, Motorola, even Blackberry. Which means 70% of smart phones on earth uses the micro usb plug.

First paragraph: "Nobody has the right to be hypocritical . . . except me."

Second paragraph: Don't want to sound like a grammer nazi but I think I've seen you use the phrase before - I assume you mean "boggling"?

Third paragraph:

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Snicker at them because they 'reinvented' a usb 2.0 cable and get a cleansed... hahahaa.

Except it's not a USB cable. It's a cable that is compatible with USB signalling in addition to other standards.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Holy crap. you sound like a bible thumper. This is what apple has on people. it's almost like a religion. Snicker at them because they 'reinvented' a usb 2.0 cable and get a cleansed... hahahaa.

If apple cured cancer they would make you leave a traditional hospital, go into some modern looking white walled modern looking building with curved walls and charge you double for the treatment.

Bert this is rich coming from you. You have the Android blinders on, just look at your posts.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Bert this is rich coming from you. You have the Android blinders on, just look at your posts.

I just did. but like every thing else non-apple it is overblown and over exaggerated.

I criticized your super duper cable. Go and find ALL my posts slamming the iphone 5 in the past 3 weeks. I even like the apples map even though most iphone people don't.

I guess my wife chose the s3 over the iphone 5 this time, even though she had the iphone 3g and 4. Is that considered blind hate?

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Azure

Ken was saying he got 8.5 hours. That sounds horrid. I can get 24 hours easily with zero cell coverage and everything on. But I don't have LTE.

You're comparing being connected into LTE versus something essentially on standby with no connections?

Originally Posted by Azure

LTE shouldn't be that big of a problem. What are Android users getting on the same LTE network?

If you're within a service area there is absolutely no reason why a phone should only last a few hours on LTE.

In the LAPTOP Battery Test, which involves continuous surfing over 4G at 40 percent brightness, the iPhone 5 lasted 7 hours and 13 minutes. That's longer than the Samsung Galaxy S III (6:55) and over an hour longer than the smartphone category average. The Sprint iPhone 4S running iOS 6 lasted 5:54. However, the Droid RAZR Maxx is still the endurance champ; it's 3,330 mAh battery lasted nearly 8.5 hours. We'll update this review with anecdotal battery life results shortly.

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/smar...e-iphone5.aspx

The 40% brightness is also interesting from the in depth study done by Display Mate earlier as well. The maximum brightness on the S3 is already limited to half of the iPhone 5 just to try to save on battery life. Matching actual physical brightness would make the time difference substantially larger.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by chemgear

First paragraph: "Nobody has the right to be hypocritical . . . except me."

Second paragraph: Don't want to sound like a grammer nazi but I think I've seen you use the phrase before - I assume you mean "boggling"?

Third paragraph:

You haven't really been on CP until you've been mind bottled.

haha. nice pic. I'm sure if you cut out all the non smart phone plugs for samsung you would end up with 1 or 2 plugs.... but nice one!

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Because it turns normally rational people like Reaper into guys you want to throw on your ignore list with the Canuck fans.

and it's not just guys on the internet. it's real life people i know. It's like trying to talk politics with republicans and if you say the wrong thing you are all against them. It's pretty fricking terrible.

hahaha. Look at all this anger and resentment over a flipping usb 2.0 cable! just mind bottling.

umm also the s3 is my first samsung smart phone. All the other phone use a micro usb plug too. LG, HTC, Motorola, even Blackberry. Which means 70% of smart phones on earth uses the micro usb plug.

But every iconic product is like that. People get bent out of shape for Coke or Pepsi, McDonalds or Burger King, Sony or Panasonic, Ford or Chrysler, Tim Hortons or Starbucks. That's not even mentioning our irrational passion for sports teams.

While there are fanboys of each, there are the haters of them too. The I don't love Target but I loathe Walmart crowd.

To be honest, you seem to fall into the irrationally hating Apple crowd. Yes they came out with a new connector. You have to admit the functionality of the reversibility of the plug, and future proofing is kinda neat. That said, no one here is saying "buy the iPhone 5 because of this new plug it's the shiznit!" people have mentioned its benefits (which it does have) and that the media hate is exaggerated. I don't see why you need to point out the drawbacks that we all know and don't even affect some of us, while dismissing the benefits.

Personally, new or old adapter I'd be in the same boat. I'd have to buy all new accessories anyway. Even if they went with micro-USB I'd need new ones.

One final thought before bed. This is just to show that I'm not drinking the Apple Kool-Aid

Did you know you need to get a new case for the iPhone 5, that the old cases for the iPhone 4 and 4S won't fit the 5!?! Talk about a money grab by Apple. Those b#######!!!! ( ... aaaaand GO )

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I lied. This is the last post before bed.

Bertuzzied is right it is in fact "mind bottling" this is Calgary Puck

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Personally, new or old adapter I'd be in the same boat. I'd have to buy all new accessories anyway. Even if they went with micro-USB I'd need new ones.

Micro-usb would have been a worse choice, since then you'd lose analog and digital audio and video in/out that the 30 pin offered.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

But every iconic product is like that. People get bent out of shape for Coke or Pepsi, McDonalds or Burger King, Sony or Panasonic, Ford or Chrysler, Tim Hortons or Starbucks. That's not even mentioning our irrational passion for sports teams.

While there are fanboys of each, there are the haters of them too. The I don't love Target but I loathe Walmart crowd.

To be honest, you seem to fall into the irrationally hating Apple crowd. Yes they came out with a new connector. You have to admit the functionality of the reversibility of the plug, and future proofing is kinda neat. That said, no one here is saying "buy the iPhone 5 because of this new plug it's the shiznit!" people in a thread about the iPhone 5 have mentioned its benefits (which it does have) and that the media hate is exaggerated. I don't see why you need to point out the drawbacks that we all know and don't even affect some of us, while dismissing the benefits.

Personally, new or old adapter I'd be in the same boat. I'd have to buy all new accessories anyway. Even if they went with micro-USB I'd need new ones.

One final thought before bed. This is just to show that I'm not drinking the Apple Kool-Aid

Did you know you need to get a new case for the iPhone 5, that the old cases for the iPhone 4 and 4S won't fit the 5!?! Talk about a money grab by Apple. Those b#######!!! ! ( ... aaaaand GO )

Umm the way you worded that it sounds like you already took a few sips! hehe

Here is my 3 sentence review of the new iphone 5. Is that really spreading the hate?

Just played with one for a couple of hours. Not bad. Super fast with LTE but the screen is kinda small.

I like how my friend was complaining how light the S3 was and that it was 'too light' compared to the 4s.... well the iphone 5 is lighter than the S3 now and somehow lighter is better now! hahaha

I still prefer the S3, it's back button, the larger screen and it's widgets. Too bad the apple maps are not all correct but that 3d map looks pretty awesome.

Course Mr. Farm thanked my post which might make it seem a bit dickish to some on here.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I lied. This is the last post before bed.

Bertuzzied is right it is in fact "mind bottling" this is Calgary Puck

Heh, wasn't sure about that.

[You Need a Thneed]

Was there seriously just an argument here that Apple, having decided that they wanted to replace the 30 pin connector, shoud go to a standard connector instead of trying to make a better, smaller, easier to use, future upgradable connector? I'm glad that there is at least one tech company out there that attempts to innovate and make even the smallest detail better.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Was there seriously just an argument here that Apple, having decided that they wanted to replace the 30 pin connector, shoud go to a standard connector instead of trying to make a better, smaller, easier to use, future upgradable connector? I'm glad that there is at least one tech company out there that attempts to innovate and make even the smallest detail better.

is that how you spell "blatant cash grab"?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Was there seriously just an argument here that Apple, having decided that they wanted to replace the 30 pin connector, shoud go to a standard connector instead of trying to make a better, smaller, easier to use, future upgradable connector? I'm glad that there is at least one tech company out there that attempts to innovate and make even the smallest detail better.

and at least one company who sues other companies for rounded corners and edges, while keeping the same design for the last 3 generations. Innovating i tell ya! hehe

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Was there seriously just an argument here that Apple, having decided that they wanted to replace the 30 pin connector, shoud go to a standard connector instead of trying to make a better, smaller, easier to use, future upgradable connector? I'm glad that there is at least one tech company out there that attempts to innovate and make even the smallest detail better.

I don't know about all that gobbledy#### and I doubt that Apple is the only tech company that's innovating but I really wish there was a standard connector/charger for all phones. I want to have one charger in my wall, plug my phone into if I wish, my iPod, my iPad, my Nexus 7.

I still use my old Blackberry charger for my Samsung devices. It's great, no need to go out and buy a bunch of new chargers.

[You Need a Thneed]

Only company innovating is obviously a bit of a hyperbole, but the fact remains that Apple has never been willing to accept the status quo. Micro/mini USB may be a perfectly fine standard, but obviously, it wasn't a good enough standard for Apple. They wanted a connector that was more user friendly, even if the difference is small. I haven't tried the lightning connector yet, but a reversible connection would be awesome. Not too mention that lightning is more capable than the various USB options.

Maybe if I had various devices from different manufacturers, I'd be more annoyed at having different charging standards. My experience though has always been that pretty much everything has incompatible chargers. My wife had a Nokia phone, and then got the same model, which had the identical charger. Somehow, the new phone wouldn't charge from the old charger. Apple's cords have worked much better in my experience. I still have a old 30 pin cord that still has the release buttons on the side, that still works great, for all of the newer apple devices after it.


The 30 pin connector has lived it's lifespan and needed to be replaced. Apple created something that they thought could be used for the next 10 years. I think it's safe to say that micro/mini USB won't be around 10 years from now.

[MrMastodonFarm]

How is this lightning connector more user friendly, Thneed?

Maybe if I had various devices from different manufacturers, I'd be more annoyed at having different charging standards.

This is what is generally frustrating about discussing Apple with people who only use Apple products. They're always in that bubble that they don't understand why things might be better/different another way.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

How is this lightning connector more user friendly, Thneed?


This is what is generally frustrating about discussing Apple with people who only use Apple products. They're always in that bubble that they don't understand why things might be better/different another way.

How is it more user friendly? You mean other than being reversible? I think that's big in and of itself, I haven't actually had one in my hand yet, but it looks like it'll be quite forgiving in actually needing to be perfectly aligned as well.

I realize that I mostly use Apple products these days, but it's not like I haven't used other things currently, and in the past.


As to the last sentence, it might describe Apple people, but it also describes anti-apple people. I might have said the same thing about you guys in not understanding why Apple went with a different connector.