The Avengers [Spoilers]

[3 Justin 3]

Finished watching it again.

Every time it ends I think to myself "I need to watch that again right away".

I love this film.

[Mike F]

Finally saw it tonight.

Best looking 3D BluRay I've seen - they seemed to adjust the brightness to offset the loss that occurs.

Downey Jr. was the best part of the film, getting the majority of the really good lines.

The Hulk story-line was very weak - so he's a mindless beast when it's convenient to have him tear apart the ship, but he miraculously gains awareness when it's convenient for him to fight with the team?

[To Be Quite Honest]

*Pushes up nerd glasses* After the release of Planet Hulk and World War Hulk I would think he could totally take Thanos and Superman.

I would like to see some more explanation on the Hulk/Banner and his sudden awareness. In the comics he was able to determine that the changes were triggered by emotional stress, so Banner saying "I'm always angry" was a sign but I think that only the Hulk nerds would know this.

If I remember correctly Banner wasn't able to control the Hulk until he turned grey in the 80's and then retained his full mental capacity. Of course when he went green again he was reduced to better than average intelligence.

Factoid - The Hulk was grey at first but the ink wasn't consistent and then green was chosen.

I'm not a Hulk nerd but I've read a few over the years and really enjoyed WWHulk and Planet Hulk.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

*Pushes up nerd glasses* After the release of Planet Hulk and World War Hulk I would think he could totally take Thanos and Superman.

I would like to see some more explanation on the Hulk/Banner and his sudden awareness. In the comics he was able to determine that the changes were triggered by emotional stress, so Banner saying "I'm always angry" was a sign but I think that only the Hulk nerds would know this.

If I remember correctly Banner wasn't able to control the Hulk until he turned grey in the 80's and then retained his full mental capacity. Of course when he went green again he was reduced to better than average intelligence.

Factoid - The Hulk was grey at first but the ink wasn't consistent and then green was chosen.

I'm not a Hulk nerd but I've read a few over the years and really enjoyed WWHulk and Planet Hulk.

Hulk (with Ed Norton) was the movie that leads to the Avengers for the Hulk and at the end doesn't it show him sitting in a room meditating and then his eyes turn green, which could explain that he can "hulk out" when he wants.

Hard to tell if that is what it was since it was made 4 years ago and the actors are different, but that's my theory.

[CMPunk]

I thought the theory was, he could control it to some extent. If he chose to turn into the Hulk, he retained some of his intellect. When he changed into the Hulk to to an emotional response, Hulk was driven by pure emotion

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

I thought the theory was, he could control it to some extent. If he chose to turn into the Hulk, he retained some of his intellect. When he changed into the Hulk to to an emotional response, Hulk was driven by pure emotion

It depends on which Hulk is being used. At one point he was like Jekyll and Hyde where he'd turn into the Hulk only at night... Obviously, crappy and limiting for a comic book.

I would suggest it would be the most recent but it has never been explained and that is the only issue. Everything else is explained well enough without having to hold the audiences hand I think.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I didn't notice the death reference in the Thanos scene the first time. Made that scene even more awesome.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Finally saw it tonight.

Best looking 3D BluRay I've seen - they seemed to adjust the brightness to offset the loss that occurs.

Downey Jr. was the best part of the film, getting the majority of the really good lines.

The Hulk story-line was very weak - so he's a mindless beast when it's convenient to have him tear apart the ship, but he miraculously gains awareness when it's convenient for him to fight with the team?

the most common explanation i've seen is that when he turns into the Hulk the first time, it's not by choice so he has no control. when he forces the change himself, he can "aim" the Hulk. the same thing happened in Ed Norton's movie when he voluntarily turned into the Hulk to battle the Abomination

[Coach]

I might be missing something. But I feel like the special features on the Avengers Bluray are pretty meh. Given all the behind the scenes stuff broadcast before and after its release I thought it would be chock full. Theres not even a making of like COME ON!

[OutOfTheCube]

I liked it a lot less than in theaters. Way too much cheesy dialogue and takes too long to get to its actions scenes. Also lots of inexplicable 'comic booky' type moments that stuck out.

i.e. Captain America flies from the hovercarrier (presumeably) somewhere over America to Germany in probably ten minutes. Fast jets!

And the whole end scene just bothered me this time... all these heroes who disappeared, who the official government is trying to find, who are basically celebrities, extricate their horrific war criminal in a busy park in the middle of the day. Using an item that has entirely no explanation. They just happened to have a warp device designed to perfectly fit the Tesseract and teleport both it and exactly two people to Asgard? How? Did Thor bring that with him? Didn't seem like it when he arrived out of the sky and landed on the airplane. A little too "convenient wrap up" for me. Stuff like that bothered me this time around :P

Also, Dark Knight Rises was a way better film... back when Avengers came out it wasn't released yet.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I liked it a lot less than in theaters. Way too much cheesy dialogue and takes too long to get to its actions scenes. Also lots of inexplicable 'comic booky' type moments that stuck out.

i.e. Captain America flies from the hovercarrier (presumeably) somewhere over America to Germany in probably ten minutes. Fast jets!

And the whole end scene just bothered me this time... all these heroes who disappeared, who the official government is trying to find, who are basically celebrities, extricate their horrific war criminal in a busy park in the middle of the day. Using an item that has entirely no explanation. They just happened to have a warp device designed to perfectly fit the Tesseract and teleport both it and exactly two people to Asgard? How? Did Thor bring that with him? Didn't seem like it when he arrived out of the sky and landed on the airplane. A little too "convenient wrap up" for me. Stuff like that bothered me this time around :P

Also, Dark Knight Rises was a way better film... back when Avengers came out it wasn't released yet.

you dissect The Avengers but give a free pass to DKR? it has just as many if not more plot holes and convenient plot devices than the Avengers

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

you dissect The Avengers but give a free pass to DKR? it has just as many if not more plot holes and convenient plot devices than the Avengers

It sure does. TDKR also has a far more interesting story, characters I actually care about, dialogue that doesn't sound like it was written by teenagers, and actors who deliver great performances. There are some giant logical inferences that need to be made in TDKR (like how Bruce gets back to Gotham after escaping the prison), but at least those inferences can possibly be made. Yeah we could show him sneaking around, getting on a plane, devising a plan to get into Gotham, etc. But we can also infer those events. Avengers has things happen that no logical inference makes possible, like the two I mentioned. They were impossible, inexplicable events.

Plus, it's freakin' Batman.

[3 Justin 3]

I thought Dark Knight Rises and Avengers both were awesome.

Can I have a medal please?

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

There are some giant logical inferences that need to be made in TDKR (like how Bruce gets back to Gotham after escaping the prison), but at least those inferences can possibly be made. Yeah we could show him sneaking around, getting on a plane, devising a plan to get into Gotham, etc. But we can also infer those events. Avengers has things happen that no logical inference makes possible, like the two I mentioned. They were impossible, inexplicable events.

Give me a logical inference for not only how but why Batman, with a nuclear bomb counting down to imminent detonation, would paint a giant flaming bat on a bridge with an ignition line running right to the point where Gordon would be herded to his death.

Trying to hold the logic of Batman up as a virtue is an ill advised course of action.

And Bane might have been an OK foil, but he was a paper thin character. An angry, strong guy bent on destruction who just miraculously knows secret info.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Give me a logical inference for not only how but why Batman, with a nuclear bomb counting down to imminent detonation, would paint a giant flaming bat on a bridge with an ignition line running right to the point where Gordon would be herded to his death.

Impossible.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Give me a logical inference for not only how but why Batman, with a nuclear bomb counting down to imminent detonation, would paint a giant flaming bat on a bridge with an ignition line running right to the point where Gordon would be herded to his death.

Trying to hold the logic of Batman up as a virtue is an ill advised course of action.

And Bane might have been an OK foil, but he was a paper thin character. An angry, strong guy bent on destruction who just miraculously knows secret info.

I didn't say it was perfect. I also said I thought it was a far better movie overall for many other, more important reasons (story, characters, dialogue).

They both have logical leaps. I just feel like Avengers was awesome in theaters when it was this big spectacle, and it doesn't translate well to repeated viewings at home.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I didn't say it was perfect. I also said I thought it was a far better movie overall for many other, more important reasons (story, characters, dialogue).

They both have logical leaps. I just feel like Avengers was awesome in theaters when it was this big spectacle, and it doesn't translate well to repeated viewings at home.

Why compare them at all? Just because they are both comic book movies doesn't mean they are similar or should be compared. It'd be like comparing A History of Violence and KickAss.

[LockedOut]

I remember there was talk about re-releasing The Avengers in the theaters with an extended version during the summer. Is that ever going to happen on Bluray instead?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

A History of Violence and KickAss.

Both amazing movie, for those wondering.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Why compare them at all? Just because they are both comic book movies doesn't mean they are similar or should be compared. It'd be like comparing A History of Violence and KickAss.

Because... the whole nature of developing an opinion on a piece of entertainment is comparison to other pieces of entertainment?

Someone could see the worst movie ever, but if it was the only movie they'd ever seen, it would seem amazing. Only when they saw other, better ones and made comparisons would they know they were incorrect.

Critique is comparison. There are no good stories, performances, writing, effects, action, set-pieces, or cinematography without first knowing and understanding the bad ones. Or simply ones that you prefer over another.