Russia invades Ukraine

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

NSFW!

Putin is a peice of #### and I hope he dies a slow painful death.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Putin is a peice of #### and I hope he dies a slow painful death.

He and his supporters. It's not all Russians but a large % do believe him to be anointed and follow him blindly.

May he and them all find swift death . ####ing barbarians.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

They're accepted because that is the only way a democracy can survive within their borders. Without NATO, Baltic countries become vassal states to Russia with dictatorships, repression, rigged elections, and corruption.

So you agree that the only reason they are accepted is because they are Russia's neighbors?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Pointman, how is this western "Threat" actually perceived by the average Russian?

We believe it's real threat. The whole point of creating NATO was to keep Russia on check. The whole point of accepting eastern European countries was to get to Russian borders, so to be able to keep Russia in check even tighter. I don't buy that NATO is purely defensive because offense is best defense. NATO has a history of doing things as they see fit, rather than according to law. USA has a history of interfering into other nations, such as Iraq bombing. Or operation Condor. We sure are afraid of a country that can declare that we have weapons of mass destruction and bomb us out, if they so wish. Do I believe that US/NATO wanted to shoot at us? No. But I do believe they want to keep us at the gunpoint


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legi...20Organisation.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500826641400045571


Thanks for the help, Germany.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500826641400045571


Thanks for the help, Germany.

It's ok, public opinion is so negative that refiners dare not buy Russian crude, 2.5mbpd went unsold at deep discounts last week. Even without sanctions, their exports are essentially embargoed. Gas supplies will come from overseas and fill their tanks all summer.

[GordonBlue]

####, every person who is against pipelines and in country refining hopefully is paying attention.
Still probably wouldn't change their minds. They seem to want to cut of their nose to spite their face.
We just have to point to Germany to show what happens when you have unrealistic targets and have to rely on imports from places like Russia.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500679412576043016


Shell is still buying.

[burn_this_city]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500838932887576576

3rd Pansir captured in 10 days. Saw a count yesterday that showed Ukraine is +95 vehicles net since the start of the war.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500826641400045571


Thanks for the help, Germany.

Germany were dumb to put themselves in this position. But energy bills in Germany are historically much higher than in Canada to begin with. And in the last year electricity power bills have already increased by $2,400 a year for an average household, even without sanctions, while gas bills have increased by $1,400.

There was already an energy crisis in Germany before the invasion. The crisis would be much worse if they banned Russian gas, and the level of suffering Germans sustained by the measures would not be matched in Russia.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Germany were dumb to put themselves in this position. But energy bills in Germany are historically much higher than in Canada to begin with. And in the last year electricity power bills have already increased by $2,400 a year for an average household, even without sanctions, while gas bills have increased by $1,400.

There was already an energy crisis in Germany before the invasion. The crisis would be much worse if they banned Russian gas, and the level of suffering Germans sustained by the measures would not be matched in Russia.

Sure, it's just a long term failure of their energy policy. They probably should have seen it coming...

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by dino7c

IDK if someone is punching me in the face I hope to connect on a shot back...what is the alternative, Russia rolls over Ukraine and gets away with it?

Retaliate against the soldiers encroaching your territory. Russian cities, with Russian civilians shouldn't be the target.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

IDK if someone is punching me in the face I hope to connect on a shot back...what is the alternative, Russia rolls over Ukraine and gets away with it?

Come on man, it's a little more complicated than that. But if that's how you want to look at it, someone punches you in the mouth, you'll punch their kid in the mouth?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Pointman

USA has a history of interfering into other nations, such as Iraq bombing. Or operation Condor. We sure are afraid of a country that can declare that we have weapons of mass destruction and bomb us out, if they so wish. Do I believe that US/NATO wanted to shoot at us? No. But I do believe they want to keep us at the gunpoint

The USA has a history of interfering in third world world countries. It's not assassinating politicians in Russia - they leave that to the Russians themselves. And Russia clearly does have weapons of mass destruction - thousands of them - and yet, that hasn't led to NATO attacking in the decades for which that's been true, including when Russia was at its weakest and most vulnerable post-collapse.

Seems to me that the only instances in the past two-plus decades of tensions escalating in Europe such that there was any risk whatsoever of a military conflict between NATO and Russia has been when Putin has instigated those tensions. NATO has otherwise been totally irrelevant, because unless Russia starts doing crazy things, NATO is essentially a dormant entity.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

One of my drones is currently on route Poland, it will get modified with an explosive device in Ukraine until its final destination into the invading Russian force.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

One of my drones is currently on route Poland, it will get modified with an explosive device in Ukraine until its final destination into the invading Russian force.

Really? That is crazy

[Fuzz]

On a freezing winter morning, Europe woke up to a shock. Russia had cut off gas to Ukraine. Companies started reporting drops in supplies via the transit country. Calls to reduce energy dependence on Moscow resonated across the continent.

That was in January 2006. Sixteen years on, through another supply crisis and then Russia’s annexation of Crimea, the European Union is much in the same place: plotting ways to cut reliance on its single biggest gas supplier and bracing for a stoppage of flows as Russia wages war on Ukraine.

German Economy Minister Robert Habeck said reducing dependency on Russia won’t happen overnight, though the war in Ukraine has heightened the resolve. “We’ve gotten ourselves into quite a corner there,” he told Deutschlandfunk radio on March 2. “But now we want to get out of it.”

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/war-expo...-gas-1.1733307


Good article on the EU energy policy failures.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500810351192985600


How 'bout no?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Pointman

So you agree that the only reason they are accepted is because they are Russia's neighbors?

As long as you agree Russia has a history of using and abusing their neighbours.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1500810351192985600


How 'bout no?

At least the Russians are talking. If things were going well for the Russians they wouldn't be making these kids of demands early on.