2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[P-DAZZLE]

Originally Posted by ashasx

it's like a political cartoon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1297289054833143809

https://twitter.com/user/status/1297295713705979904

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Do you remember Jay Bouwmeester? The all-star defenseman who was the best Free Agent that off-season?

Doesn't happen often but it has happened recently.

Is over a decade ago really recent?

It was, like the poster mentioned, back when Iggy and Kipper were still the draw

I guess technically, it’s not never, but I consider it hockey generations ago

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Do you remember Jay Bouwmeester? The all-star defenseman who was the best Free Agent that off-season?

Doesn't happen often but it has happened recently.

The same Bouwmeester who Calgary traded for and then re-signed? Not exactly a UFA, so half a point for the example really.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

The same Bouwmeester who Calgary traded for and then re-signed? Not exactly a UFA, so half a point for the example really.

Didn't he sign the day before he was set to become a UFA?

I think that counts as he could have waited hours if he wanted to.

The inside edge we had at that time was that his wife was a nurse working in Calgary.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Something has been ringing in my ear all along that Hall isn't going to sign here, and we've all been just hyping it up for nothing. Just seems too easy.

Good.

Signing hall would be the final nail in the coffin of this edition of the flames and Treliving career as a gm

[868904]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I imagine there's something to this. Trying to spark a trade and get Fleury away from Deboer. For Fleury to okay this during the playoffs probably speaks to how pissed off he is right now.

He'd effectively be a cap-dump, as Vegas would be making the move to sign Lehner long-term.

...I'd take MAF as a cap-dump.

The only way I take MAF is if Gallant is our coach.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by 868904

The only way I take MAF is if Gallant is our coach.

You don’t have to threaten me with a good idea

[Gaskal]

If Treliving trades for MAF and hires Gallant that would pretty much instantly address the two biggest pitfalls of his tenure, I feel CP would be mostly pleased (assuming he traded Gaudreau away and did OK on it of course).

Of course, knowing our luck, Flower becomes a Hiller the moment he puts on the flaming C lol.

[bluejays]

MAF would be an upgrade in my mind, but he's not elite anymore if that is the expectation. I think he would be a good goaltender to keep around for 3 or 4 seasons though. However, with G and D free agents this season and what I assume might be some cap space availability, I'm not sure he'll be trading for a goaltender.

As someone earlier quoted Treliving saying his philosophy was top 4 D, combined with his like of getting a big fish and his need to get a star, I think two things will happen in FA this year. I think he'll get Hall, and I think he'll attempt to get Krug or bring Brodie back. I think Hall will sign at a reasonable price.
As for deals, I think Gaudreau will be dealt to NJ or Buffalo with picks for their first rounder, freeing up some cap space. Additionally, I think Monahan will be dealt for a top 2 dman. Beyond that I think there will be smaller deals for the supporting cast to be ironed out a little. That would flip the core of the team, but frankly the supporting cast has to change too, but that would take time.

[Ped]

Just remember Fleury's caphit is 7 million for 2 more seasons.

[Vinny01]

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...Do-it/1/107065

Flames all in on Hall (Eklund alert)

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...Do-it/1/107065

Flames all in on Hall (Eklund alert)

Eklund is usually full of crap.. but at the same time, this doesn't surprise me. The team is looking for a major shakeup and Taylor Hall provides that.

Personally, I think the Flames should look for a #1 center by trading Gaudreau and Bennett. Bennett had a great playoffs and his value is high and maybe that's the sweetner that balances out Gaudreau's lack of playoff success.

Gaudreau+Bennett for Hischier+Prospect

Hall-Hischier-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Backlund-Mangiapane
Prospect-Ryan-Prospect

Let Derek Ryan become a mentor for guys like Gawdin, Phillips, Pelletier etc.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If Treliving trades for MAF and hires Gallant that would pretty much instantly address the two biggest pitfalls of his tenure, I feel CP would be mostly pleased (assuming he traded Gaudreau away and did OK on it of course).

Of course, knowing our luck, Flower becomes a Hiller the moment he puts on the flaming C lol.

So he has one fantastic season then slumps in his final year? I could deal with that.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by fleury

MAF would be an upgrade in my mind, but he's not elite anymore if that is the expectation. I think he would be a good goaltender to keep around for 3 or 4 seasons though. However, with G and D free agents this season and what I assume might be some cap space availability, I'm not sure he'll be trading for a goaltender.

As someone earlier quoted Treliving saying his philosophy was top 4 D, combined with his like of getting a big fish and his need to get a star, I think two things will happen in FA this year. I think he'll get Hall, and I think he'll attempt to get Krug or bring Brodie back. I think Hall will sign at a reasonable price.
As for deals, I think Gaudreau will be dealt to NJ or Buffalo with picks for their first rounder, freeing up some cap space. Additionally, I think Monahan will be dealt for a top 2 dman. Beyond that I think there will be smaller deals for the supporting cast to be ironed out a little. That would flip the core of the team, but frankly the supporting cast has to change too, but that would take time.

Why not trade Monahan 6.3M for picks and for an extra 2.5 M sign Pietroangelo?

[keenan87]

Is the league for sure not having non compliance buyouts? Man, would it ever be nice to get rid of that Lucic contract.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Eklund is usually full of crap.. but at the same time, this doesn't surprise me. The team is looking for a major shakeup and Taylor Hall provides that.

Personally, I think the Flames should look for a #1 center by trading Gaudreau and Bennett. Bennett had a great playoffs and his value is high and maybe that's the sweetner that balances out Gaudreau's lack of playoff success.

Gaudreau+Bennett for Hischier+Prospect

Hall-Hischier-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Backlund-Mangiapane
Prospect-Ryan-Prospect

Let Derek Ryan become a mentor for guys like Gawdin, Phillips, Pelletier etc.

I don't see the attraction to Hischier. He's not a first line center and I don't see one in development. I would prefer the Flames used those same assets and went after an established player like Couturier, or a real promising kid like Frost or Cozens. Unless that other prospect is Jack Hughes, then I would move along and look elsewhere. I think New Jersey is a poor fit for the Flames as trade partners. We don't have the assets each other needs.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Eklund is usually full of crap.. but at the same time, this doesn't surprise me. The team is looking for a major shakeup and Taylor Hall provides that.

Personally, I think the Flames should look for a #1 center by trading Gaudreau and Bennett. Bennett had a great playoffs and his value is high and maybe that's the sweetner that balances out Gaudreau's lack of playoff success.

Gaudreau+Bennett for Hischier+Prospect

Hall-Hischier-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Backlund-Mangiapane
Prospect-Ryan-Prospect

Let Derek Ryan become a mentor for guys like Gawdin, Phillips, Pelletier etc.

The Flames get rid of 9M in cap space and bring back 16 M

I guess we find out how good Valimaki and Kylington and Riitich/Zagidulin/Parsons are in a hurry.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Eklund is usually full of crap.. but at the same time, this doesn't surprise me. The team is looking for a major shakeup and Taylor Hall provides that.

Personally, I think the Flames should look for a #1 center by trading Gaudreau and Bennett. Bennett had a great playoffs and his value is high and maybe that's the sweetner that balances out Gaudreau's lack of playoff success.

Gaudreau+Bennett for Hischier+Prospect

Hall-Hischier-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Backlund-Mangiapane
Prospect-Ryan-Prospect

Let Derek Ryan become a mentor for guys like Gawdin, Phillips, Pelletier etc.

Eklund has definitely wrote about the Flames and Hall on severs occasions so I assume the sources he may have are on to something.

I would be surprised if the Devils moved Hischier but then again the Devils could be a team that takes a run at a Monahan-Gaudreau package?

To Devils: Monahan and Gaudreau
To Flames: Hischier and 7th overall

If the Devils believe Hughes is their future number 1 then they slide the veteran Monahan into the 2 spot?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

I don't see the attraction to Hischier. He's not a first line center and I don't see one in development. I would prefer the Flames used those same assets and went after an established player like Couturier, or a real promising kid like Frost or Cozens. Unless that other prospect is Jack Hughes, then I would move along and look elsewhere. I think New Jersey is a poor fit for the Flames as trade partners. We don't have the assets each other needs.

I have read that Hischier is likely the next captain of the Devils and he is really turning into an effective 200ft player. His points aren’t there yet but if he is a 2 way guy that is something the Flames are after.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If Treliving trades for MAF and hires Gallant that would pretty much instantly address the two biggest pitfalls of his tenure, I feel CP would be mostly pleased (assuming he traded Gaudreau away and did OK on it of course).

Of course, knowing our luck, Flower becomes a Hiller the moment he puts on the flaming C lol.

It is a little bit concerning the BT may have to do another rebuild/retool. A GM has to get that right for the team to have success. As we are seeing now a lot of wasted time on poorly constructed moves. Johnny and Mony shouldn't be on the top line but deeper in the line up. Especially because they are not built for the heavy lifting of the playoffs. Those two might have even more success if they are matched up against other teams lesser skilled players. The top line needs to be built with guys who can push the pace in tough games. If Tkachuk is having concussion issues I don't think he should be counted on for physicality or fighting, or even on the top line unless 100 healthy.

BT has to be better, some of his moves have stalled the teams progress. If he decides to trade Johnny and Monahan he has to get it right. Especially the top line otherwise the Flames will be sitting on the outside for the next few years wondering how some teams continue to make the playoffs season after season. As a fan I am not confident in where the team is at this point or that BT will bring in or trade for the right pieces. A lot of money and picks that could have gone towards team development have been wasted on a few poorly constructed trades.