You'd think that this election would be a slam dunk for Biden/Harris, though I think that there is a lot of work to be done in the next two months, and I really don't think they've resonated as strongly as they could have.
The message of "Trump is bad m'kay" isn't going to work. To give the devil his due he's effectively split the voter base and is creating a us against them narrative that I think Biden is not judging properly.
At the end of the day with 2 months left, I don't expect any kind of real platform out of Trump, I expect that he's going to whip up his rhetoric with the evil left socialist communist nazi's are coming (sorry bad joke). And its going to be effective. Trump also gain if the riots and protests continue to the election. Its pure fear based politics.
It feels like bringing in Harris hasn't bumped approval like I thought it would.
I also don't trust polls in this case.
Why would anybody think that? Trump has a built-in 35-40% of the vote that will be on his side no matter what. After four years of this guy, you have to have noticed he has the unconditional support of a frighteningly high number of people. Not to mention he's willing to push the boundaries of law and good taste to get more votes. This is the opposite of a slam dunk for anybody going against him.
Biden isn't particularly charismatic, so getting him out there doesn't really motivate many people. I like what he's doing. Staying low key. It's what I prefer in a president. A calm, rational person. I long for the days of not thinking at all about the president on an hour-to-hour basis.
Trump is motivating the people that will vote democrat to vote democrat just by virtue of being a scumbag. Biden cruising around acting "presidential" is a good approach, IMO. He's not going to fire anybody up so there's no point in trying to make him be that guy. It would come off looking dumb.
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Is it a strategy? Or is it just what gets the most attention in the media?
Biden does speak on policy. Running too much on policy is a dangerous road. Policies are easy to attack, especially with the wide spectrum of voters he's going after.
The president doesn't really have much control over policy anyway. It seems perfectly valid to me to say that he won't do crazy, crappy things that are bending or breaking the rules and laws of what a president should do.
Personally, I don't want a president who promises details of all these wonderful things he'd do, that are not even realistically possible unless he pulls some dirty tricks from Trump's bag.
What I'd be hoping to hear from a president is that he will listen to science and doctors and handle COVID the right way, and not what he thinks is best politically. He will try to rebuild relationships with other countries and rebuild our international reputation. He will work with whatever congress looks like to undo the damage Trump did to health care and work to improve accessibility. He will take the job seriously, restore the various federal institutions by appointing people who are qualified and take those institutions seriously. He will lead the country in trying to repair race relations, and deal with abuse by the police.
I don't want anything else in a president at this point. I don't think Biden's message is far off that, and I also don't think those points are too far off from just "not being Trump".
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While some clear policy direction would be nice and totally normal in a normal election cycle, I don't see it happening anytime soon. "Anything but Trump" might be the best platform anyway. If they do lay something out (which honestly I think they should), I wouldn't get it out too early, as they will be attacked and/or forgotten through November. Maybe after the debates, but if I were them, I would have Biden stay above the fray and try and provide an image of steady, calming leadership. Harris could provide some leadership on the law and order front. Otherwise, try not to look bat#### crazy. It shouldn't be that hard.
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Why would anybody think that? Trump has a built-in 35-40% of the vote that will be on his side no matter what. After four years of this guy, you have to have noticed he has the unconditional support of a frighteningly high number of people. Not to mention he's willing to push the boundaries of law and good taste to get more votes. This is the opposite of a slam dunk for anybody going against him.
Biden isn't particularly charismatic, so getting him out there doesn't really motivate many people. I like what he's doing. Staying low key. It's what I prefer in a president. A calm, rational person. I long for the days of not thinking at all about the president on an hour-to-hour basis.
Trump is motivating the people that will vote democrat to vote democrat just by virtue of being a scumbag. Biden cruising around acting "presidential" is a good approach, IMO. He's not going to fire anybody up so there's no point in trying to make him be that guy. It would come off looking dumb.
All I've heard out there so far is slam dunk, look at the polls Trump is done, this is commentary I've seen from indviduals, some groups and some press. I do ignore Fox and some of the other more hardcore Trump enablers though, so I could be wrong.
Anyone that thinks that the debates are going to be anything resulting sanity is fooling themselves.
Trump in the last campaign did a good job of not only motivating the right base, but also had that message of political sameness can't continue.
These debates aren't going to be debates, they're going to be Trump energizing his base and repeatedly hammering the button on Biden is senile, Harris is a communist and we need law and order in our cities.
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Does anyone else feel that the Biden/Harris strategy is just "Trump is Bad, Vote for Us"?
I haven't seen a lot of messaging about what a Biden/Harris ticket will do for the country. I have an uneasy feeling that this strategy might backfire.
It's still early. The RNC convention just ended. I expect the spending in certain states to really start spinning up. In Arizona it has been a full court press by McSally and we are now seeing a ton of stuff from the Trump campaign as well. This is the type of spending that tells you that candidates are in trouble early and trying to stop the bleeding. So I expect to see some Kelly and Biden ads to strengthen their support in the next month and then a big spend in October. Same across the country. Biden has been quiet, and that is reflecting in polls, but the news hole is pretty much consumed by Trump and social unrest caused by his actions. Biden needs to bully his way on TV screens and get some time to counter Trump and show their is an alternative path for Americans.
I will add that the media is doing for Trump against Biden what they did for Trump against Clinton. They are taking every ridiculous thing that comes out of Trump's mouth and reporting on it with great veracity, acting as an amplifier of his message and not costing the Trump campaign a cent. They are not countering with the Biden campaign and getting comment, they are just reporting on what Trump said and leaving it at that. Nothing is ever countered or shown to be wrong, they just use the Trump quote in as salacious a manner as they can which repeats the massage again and again. The media in this country sucks balls.
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It's still early. The RNC convention just ended. I expect the spending in certain states to really start spinning up. In Arizona it has been a full court press by McSally and we are now seeing a ton of stuff from the Trump campaign as well. This is the type of spending that tells you that candidates are in trouble early and trying to stop the bleeding. So I expect to see some Kelly and Biden ads to strengthen their support in the next month and then a big spend in October. Same across the country. Biden has been quiet, and that is reflecting in polls, but the news hole is pretty much consumed by Trump and social unrest caused by his actions. Biden needs to bully his way on TV screens and get some time to counter Trump and show their is an alternative path for Americans.
Biden is speaking live right now, responding to the reports of Trump denigrating military service members, and he's doing a damn good job IMO. He sounds pissed.
If the reports I've read are true, September is supposed to be the month when current GOP politicians will bring out the knives on Trump to save their own rear ends if it looks like Trump will lose.
Trump isn't helping himself with his heartless and brainless comments about the military.
Pentagon demands the shuttering of Stars and Stripes paper by Sept 15. This outfit has provided daily news to troops around the world since 1861. It is independent of military brass and truly free press.
Not so curiously this demand comes shortly after the poll in the paper showing Trump trailing Biden By 4 points among decided voters among active personnel.
It receives $15 million a year of funding in $700+ billion dollar budget.
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Why would anybody think that? Trump has a built-in 35-40% of the vote that will be on his side no matter what. After four years of this guy, you have to have noticed he has the unconditional support of a frighteningly high number of people. Not to mention he's willing to push the boundaries of law and good taste to get more votes. This is the opposite of a slam dunk for anybody going against him.
Biden isn't particularly charismatic, so getting him out there doesn't really motivate many people. I like what he's doing. Staying low key. It's what I prefer in a president. A calm, rational person. I long for the days of not thinking at all about the president on an hour-to-hour basis.
Trump is motivating the people that will vote democrat to vote democrat just by virtue of being a scumbag. Biden cruising around acting "presidential" is a good approach, IMO. He's not going to fire anybody up so there's no point in trying to make him be that guy. It would come off looking dumb.
People talk about the 35% base that will vote for Republican no matter what, but Biden also has that 35% base that will vote Democrat no matter what, so it's a wash. It's the 30% in the middle that they are fighting for.
Gotta recommend the daily beast podcast 'the new abnormal'. They've been on fire lately and will likely have a field day with this one.
The August 25th one was hilarious / sad
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