If Treliving were to do a pros and cons list, what would he put for Peters pros?
Cheaper?
In Sutter, AV and Peters you get:
Red and Yellow corvettes that won a couple races and came close other times versus a mystery car that has never been to the race.
A bit puzzled what bag of magic beans Peters is selling to Tre.
One thing that occurred to me from watching that first video is how valuable it was for them to have Sean Burke to rely on for advice on handling goaltending decisions. I knew our GC, Jordan Sigalet, had his career cut short from MS and never questioned him being a good choice for his position but that video made me think; having never gained that long time NHL starter experience, he surely can’t be relied upon for similar expert opinions (how would he be able to relate to what’s going on in an experienced starters head 70 games into his 10th season for example), which might be a disadvantage for us but obviously he has other strengths in his coaching abilities.
I’m just left wondering what his known strengths may be and how much respect he holds with veteran goalies that have played at a much higher level for so long? What is it about him that saved him from being let go alongside the other three coaches?
I mean no disrespect, just curious if anyone can offer some insight.
The radio guys were saying they thought that Mike Smith really liked working with Sigalet so maybe that played a role?
Obviously you'd think Smith's, Rittich's and Gillies's post season interviews could have played a role.
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In Sutter, AV and Peters you get:
Red and Yellow corvettes that won a couple races and came close other times versus a mystery car that has never been to the race.
Peters and Treliving won a gold medal together a couple of years ago at the Men's worlds. Might not be NHL experience but he is less of a mystery car to Treliving than the other two because of that experience.
Jim Nill also knows Peters from their time in Detroit, and Dallas has been mentioned as being interested too.
Peters and Treliving won a gold medal together a couple of years ago at the Men's worlds. Might not be NHL experience but he is less of a mystery car to Treliving than the other two because of that experience.
Jim Nill also knows Peters from their time in Detroit, and Dallas has been mentioned as being interested too.
Great. If Treliving can give him a stacked roster top to bottom and has a short tournament to play, they should do well.
Peters and Treliving won a gold medal together a couple of years ago at the Men's worlds. Might not be NHL experience but he is less of a mystery car to Treliving than the other two because of that experience.
Jim Nill also knows Peters from their time in Detroit, and Dallas has been mentioned as being interested too.
Go Jim Nill, get your man!
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What the hell do I know but it sure feels like the Bill Peters hire is a fait accompli. If the rumours are true and he is Trelivings guy and Sutter was the owners guy then Tre has absolutely put his own job in Bill Peters hands. I wish them both all the best.
So we're going from a guy who never made the playoffs as coach of the Stars to a guy who never made the playoffs with the Hurricanes.
And bypassing better, more experienced people for reasons that I'm sure are not monetary.
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If Sutter doesn’t want to coach again, I propose a cardboard cutout Sutter behind the bench instead. Cardboard Sutter would get more compete and effort out of the players than GG could.
But can it stare up at the rafters or consult an iPad?
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If Treliving were to do a pros and cons list, what would he put for Peters pros?
Cheaper?
In Sutter, AV and Peters you get:
Red and Yellow corvettes that won a couple races and came close other times versus a mystery car that has never been to the race.
A bit puzzled what bag of magic beans Peters is selling to Tre.
Peters is only a bag of magic beans to fans. To people in the pro hockey community, they don’t just see the outside of the car and it’s race record and think “that’s the car i’ll buy,” they actually have the opportunity to look under the hood, and gather significantly more information to make their decisions. Sometimes it’s right, sometimes it’s wrong, but nothing these decisions are “magic beans.”
I don’t know why some fans find it so hard to accept that the maximum amount they can possibly know will always be less than the minimum amount a GM can know. Doesn’t mean the GM doesn’t make bad decisions, but when you only have access to a fraction of the information, you should expect not to understand some things.
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Peters is only a bag of magic beans to fans. To people in the pro hockey community, they don’t just see the outside of the car and it’s race record and think “that’s the car i’ll buy,” they actually have the opportunity to look under the hood, and gather significantly more information to make their decisions. Sometimes it’s right, sometimes it’s wrong, but nothing these decisions are “magic beans.”
I don’t know why some fans find it so hard to accept that the maximum amount they can possibly know will always be less than the minimum amount a GM can know. Doesn’t mean the GM doesn’t make bad decisions, but when you only have access to a fraction of the information, you should expect not to understand some things.
I find it disengeneous to assume that “fans” don’t know as much as “people in hockey” there’s only so much analysis you need to do to know a coaches system and many of us can see it enough to make relatively educated opinions.
All the game film is out there. You can’t tell me that a gm knows more because he knows who had the runs before the game and who didn’t. And that’s why someone played better than someone else.
If it's true that Peters has a timeline that expires tomorrow, isn't it assumed that the Flames and Peters would be talking? I mean, BT is known for leaving 'no stone unturned', and if one of the candidates has a deadline, you have to make a decision on him first. Would no surprise me in the slightest if he went for an interview, if that could be considered 'talking'. We just don't know how serious the 'talking' is.
Regardless of his record or what he puts on the ice, I do like listening to him talk in those videos. Straight, to-the-point.
Edit: However, after the steep interview drop-off from Hartley to Gulutzan, I could really use some time listening to a Sutter interview...
I don’t know why some fans find it so hard to accept that the maximum amount they can possibly know will always be less than the minimum amount a GM can know. Doesn’t mean the GM doesn’t make bad decisions, but when you only have access to a fraction of the information, you should expect not to understand some things.
Ok...but you do realise there due to behavioural biases, group dynamics and weaknesses in decision making processes, its still possible to end up seeing things more clearly from the outside than from the inside? Phenomenon like group think are real. As are preconceived biases.
People on the inside have a huge informational advantage - no doubt. But they still end up making major unforced errors from time to time. And its mostly because while more data is generally better, at the end of the day its how you assess the data that matters most.
So it is possible to come to a better decision with less information if your ability to focus on what matters is better. Or your decision making process is better. Or your analysis is better. Or because you have less biases. Or because you're unaffected by group think.
Peters is only a bag of magic beans to fans. To people in the pro hockey community, they don’t just see the outside of the car and it’s race record and think “that’s the car i’ll buy,” they actually have the opportunity to look under the hood, and gather significantly more information to make their decisions. Sometimes it’s right, sometimes it’s wrong, but nothing these decisions are “magic beans.”
I don’t know why some fans find it so hard to accept that the maximum amount they can possibly know will always be less than the minimum amount a GM can know. Doesn’t mean the GM doesn’t make bad decisions, but when you only have access to a fraction of the information, you should expect not to understand some things.
Why is Peters not a magic can of beans to everyone including the GM ?
The expectation must be that given a NHL roster that he can improve their play get them to the playoffs (and presumably do better than that).
Has he ever won a playoff game? No.
Has he ever made the playoffs? No.
Can he? Who knows.
There is no proof that he can do it. Only extrapolation, hand waving and hope.
If it walks like magic beans, and quacks like magic beans, it is magic beans, is it not?
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Peters is only a bag of magic beans to fans. To people in the pro hockey community, they don’t just see the outside of the car and it’s race record and think “that’s the car i’ll buy,” they actually have the opportunity to look under the hood, and gather significantly more information to make their decisions. Sometimes it’s right, sometimes it’s wrong, but nothing these decisions are “magic beans.”
I don’t know why some fans find it so hard to accept that the maximum amount they can possibly know will always be less than the minimum amount a GM can know. Doesn’t mean the GM doesn’t make bad decisions, but when you only have access to a fraction of the information, you should expect not to understand some things.
Hockey people thought GG was a good hire at one point. As in Greg Gilbert.
Dallas Eakins was a hockey genius. The list is long.
All Peters can sell is theory and personality because his record is not impressive at all.
