^In contrast, the way the Women's March went off was so damned impressive, especially given its sheer magnitude, that I'm basically guaranteed to attend the next similar mass-demonstration (be it for women's rights or something similarly threatened by this administration).
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You honestly think that comment was made by a dyed in the wool feminist?
Where did he even imply that it was?
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I am not a fan of Milo, and I think that there is an honest to goodness reason to peacably protest anytime he shows up to s***-disturb. Those protests were disgusting, and certainly pushed me farther away from the so-called "resistance" movement of thugs and fellow travelers that is forming in response to Trump.
Oh yeah? Do you have a picture of your knitted pink hat from the previous weekend you can share with us?
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^In contrast, the way the Women's March went off was so damned impressive, especially given its sheer magnitude, that I'm basically guaranteed to attend the next similar mass-demonstration (be it for women's rights or something else).
Where did he even imply that it was?
Although it wouldn't be the first time that "dyed in the wool" feminists slut-shamed someone that they saw was on the wrong side of history.
See practically every mainstream Democrat feminist and Monica Lewinsky.
Oh yeah? Do you have a picture of your knitted pink hat from the previous weekend you can share with us?
You are the king of virtue-signallers. It is ridiculous. What a bizarre thing to say.
EDIT: I thought the hats were ridiculous, and actually emphasized the emptiness of the official rhetoric behind the marches. That said, I marched, and found the spirit of the crowd to be very uplifting, and inspiring.
I am sure that you had someone knit you a little pink hat just so you could fully demonstrate your solidarity.
You are the king of virtue-signallers. It is ridiculous. What a bizarre thing to say.
EDIT: I thought the hats were ridiculous, and actually emphasized the emptiness of the official rhetoric behind the marches. That said, I marched, and found the spirit of the crowd to be very uplifting, and inspiring.
I am sure that you had someone knit you a little pink hat just so you could fully demonstrate your solidarity.
Nah, I was deeply immersed in the virtue of a hard day's work of manual labour.
EDIT: Hard to argue with their effectiveness either.
I just did... unless you're saying their purpose was specifically to not allow him to speak to a small audience in person on that single evening, which would be pretty shortsighted given that he can now speak to a much larger audience via the Internet. And will probably just go back, considering it's guaranteed now to draw more media attention to him if he tries.
Seriously, you'd have to be an idiot to call this a win of any kind.
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I just did... unless you're saying their purpose was specifically to not allow him to speak to a small audience in person on that single evening, which would be pretty shortsighted given that he can now speak to a much larger audience via the Internet. And will probably just go back, considering it's guaranteed now to draw more media attention to him if he tries.
Seriously, you'd have to be an idiot to call this a win of any kind.
You honestly think the university will allow him back there again? Their goal was to prevent him from speaking there. Shortsighted or not, they accomplished that.
EDIT: I mean if you want to contrast it to the women's march, what exactly was accomplished there? The goal was to protest the incoming threat of legislation that was damaging to women's rights and their health, all of which and more has since been passed, more of which will be passed in the next 4-8 years. It was a great display of civic engagement but it had zero effect on the final outcome. Or am I just being cynical?
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Maybe at the next Mimi Soltysik speaking event, masked protesters can show up, firebomb the place, assault people, and shut it down. Afterwords, the blame can be levied at provacateurs or a false flag.
Clear purpose AND effective! BOOM. Justified.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
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Maybe at the next Mimi Soltysik speaking event, masked protesters can show up, firebomb the place, assault people, and shut it down. Afterwords, the blame can be levied at provacateurs or a false flag.
You honestly think the university will allow him back there again? Their goal was to prevent him from speaking there. Shortsighted or not, they accomplished that.
They don't have much of a choice - the university didn't invite him, a campus club did. Forbidding the club to invite him back could very easily lead to a lawsuit, be it from the ACLU, FIRE or another such organization. Plus, didn't the University President basically say "we're in favour of free speech for people we don't like" and sanction the thing? Or am I out to lunch? If you stand on principle, only to retract that position on the basis that people basically terrorized you with vandalism, what message does that send? Anyway, even if they did shut him down, it'd just lead to yet another series of interviews on Fox News and his name on a CNN banner. Seriously, the guy is the only one getting anything out of this.
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EDIT: I mean if you want to contrast it to the women's march, what exactly was accomplished there? The goal was to protest the incoming threat of legislation that was damaging to women's rights and their health, all of which and more has since been passed, more of which will be passed in the next 4-8 years. It was a great display of civic engagement but it had zero effect on the final outcome. Or am I just being cynical?
I think you are, yeah... I'm really not convinced that the majority of Americans are pro-life. In fact, I'm almost certain they aren't. By protesting in that way, the retort to this march of regression for abortion rights actually resonates on its own merits, rather than getting bogged down in whether or not it's okay to break windows and pepper spray random people whose views you find distasteful. Not only does attention get shined on the cause instead of the protestors, but the attention is more or less universally positive. The average person watching actually stands a chance of agreeing with what you stand for.
That said I'm with you that these things can be less impactful than they could be only because a lot of people just show up, chant, and go home with a sense of satisfaction. The hope is - and maybe this is me just being optimistic - that people continue to talk about their issues with other people, write their representatives, or join the process, leading others to do likewise. Maybe that'll be true of very few people, but at minimum, you'd hope that having been inspired, more of them will at least show up to vote...
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I think you are basically endorsing brownshirt tactics for the sake of an argument.
Nah, I've argued before on this forum that peaceful demonstration on its own is almost completely ineffective. You don't necessarily have to go brownshirt and violent, but there generally has to be some measure of civil disobedience involved to actually affect any kind of change.
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Nah, I've argued before on this forum that peaceful demonstration on its own is almost completely ineffective. You don't necessarily have to go brownshirt and violent, but there generally has to be some measure of civil disobedience involved to actually affect any kind of change.
I think you're wrong about peaceful demonstration being completely ineffective... especially if the response to it is disproportionate. These guys, for example, gained an awful lot of attention and sympathy.
That being said, I'm with you, to a point. I'm actually pretty okay if you want to block a bridge, or stage a sit in on private property, provided that you don't actually damage property or hurt anyone. Of course, you should be arrested if you break the law, but that's part of the process. As annoying as the Trans Mountain protestors are likely to be, if they want to go to jail for what they believe, I have to admit that though they're morons, that's not only acceptable but really pretty commendable.
But attacking people, terrorizing them, burning #### and vandalising property isn't acceptable, no matter how sure you are that you're right, and it's not effective either. If, instead of sitting down peacefully, those kids had been pepper sprayed after throwing rocks at that cop, no one would particularly care about what they believed in that led them to do it. They'd have had it coming.
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What change are they going for? Stiffiling free speech? Having a politically homogenous campus?
No one will give credence to your cause, whatever it may be, if you're assaulting people, and destroying property. The average person doesn't see or understand their cause, but certainly notices the violence.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
I think you're wrong about peaceful demonstration being completely ineffective... especially if the response is over the top. These guys, for example, gained an awful lot of attention and sympathy.
Okay, great, they earned sympathy. BFD. The Occupy Movement was a total failure and anything it accomplished temporarily has since been largely erased.
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