Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[codynw]

Originally Posted by snipetype

How can you say fleury has a low top end? He had top pairing potential. Big shutdown dman that put up 40 points in their draft year are rare things. Holy #### you guys are dumb I can't take it anymore. Last year I said the flames should pick zadorov ristolainen or morin if any were left at 22. CP freaked out at me, and oh yeah they were all gone by like what 15? He had more points than dion Phaneuf in his draft year an he's wayyyyy better defensively. Pass me whatever you are smoking. Just watch the kid play before you say he doesn't have high potential. #### you all just listen to what other people say without watching them play.

Calm down, bud.

[Enoch Root]

Most of the talk on Risto and Zadorov was in the 8-15 range IIRC.

There were plenty of posters and 'experts' for each of Nurse, Risto and Zadorov to be the #2 d-man after Jones.

So not many expected either of them to be around at 22.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Ritchie is probably going to be a 20-30 point bottom 6er, so I'll take the players who will put up more points.

Probably? Quit projecting your opinion forward into the future. You seem to be one of the only people that believe this. He's a skilled top two line guy.

We already have two Ehlers/Nylander types in Gaudreau/Baertschi. We have no Lucic unless Ferland really surprises. There is no Crosby in this draft.

[snipetype]

I know but everyone wanted who, Valentin zykov. On our poll morin was passed on both the 22 and 28 picks for guys like petan. You guys know nothing about defencemen because they are harder to project base on statistics. That's all I'm saying. Fleury is a beast

[nik-]

you're the greatest

[snipetype]

In fact I believe zadorov was passed at number 22 with the poll

[nik-]

People vote for who they believe will realistically be there. Go back and review the actual discussion, not some poll. Those three defencemen were highly regarded with Ristolainen first, Zadarov second and Morin third. You aren't some great oracle.

[snipetype]

Ok can you explain how he has a low upside? 40 point big defenceman that can skate a well as anyone in the draft. How is that low upside?

He is a shutdown defenceman first of all. What kind of dman should we be picking? Some small guy that puts up a bunch of points in junior like Matt dumba, or Ryan Murphy? No I want big two way defencemen who actually help the team win. This guy is a Jacob trouba clone. How can that possibly be low potential?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by snipetype

I know but everyone wanted who, Valentin zykov. On our poll morin was passed on both the 22 and 28 picks for guys like petan. You guys know nothing about defencemen because they are harder to project base on statistics. That's all I'm saying. Fleury is a beast

I guess not beast enough to crack the top ten. Look, if our pick was in the 11-15 range, maybe we would be considering Fleury.

[snipetype]

But if he is available in the mock draft, an we passed on him, doesn't that mean that we like ####ty junior scorers. And that we miss out on d men?

[codynw]

Burke said he only has one defenceman ranked in his top ten. He won't be drafting Fleury, it doesn't matter what any fans think.

[snipetype]

Bob Mckenzie has him six. He is either the fourth fifth or sixth best prospect in this draft

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah not sure how you think Ritchie is so bad offensively.

Compare his draft year stats to recent OHLers taken in the top 10.

Ritchie: G: 39 A: 35 PTS: 74

2011:
Landeskog: G: 36 A: 30 PTS: 66
Strome: G: 33 A: 73 PTS: 106
Scheifele: G:22 A: 53 PTS: 75

2012:
Yakupov: G:31 A: 38 PTS: 69 (only 41 GP)
Galchenyuk: G:31 A: 52 PTS: 83 (year before draft due to injury)

2013:
Monahan: G: 31 A: 47 PTS: 78
Horvat: G: 33 A: 28 PTS: 61

Outside of Strome is not like those guys were putting up ridiculous points in comparison to Ritchie. Sure you dislike him for whatever reason but to completely write off his offensive game is foolish. He is rated top ten for a reason and scouts drool over his complete package when he brings his A game.

[snipetype]

Anyway last year I was trying to say the flames should draft zadorov morin or ristolainen with 22. It was cocensus that ristolainen would be gone but you guys still wanted zykov over zadorov and morin. All I'm saying is cp continually underrated defencemen

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by snipetype

Bob Mckenzie has him six. He is either the fourth fifth or sixth best prospect in this draft

Bob McKenzie isn't our GM.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by snipetype

Bob Mckenzie has him six. He is either the fourth fifth or sixth best prospect in this draft

According to you.

I would say the top 5 are pretty much the consensus top 5 and Fleury is at best the 6th prospect in the draft. According to Brian Burke he isn't even top 10 (stated only one d-man in the top 10), and Craig Button has him at 10.

You obviously are a fan of his and watch him a lot but unless you are watching Perlini, Ritchie, Bennett, Ehlers, etc just as much it is hard to compare them.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by snipetype

Anyway last year I was trying to say the flames should draft zadorov morin or ristolainen with 22. It was cocensus that ristolainen would be gone but you guys still wanted zykov over zadorov and morin. All I'm saying is cp continually underrated defencemen

I love the "you guys" defence of your argument

[snipetype]

Can someone just please tell me why fleury is not good. CP has made it very clear dal colle has character issues and his skating issues are apparent to the most casual of observers. But no one has really explained what's wrong with fleury. He's big fast smart makes simple smart plays and is a very good puck mover. He's physical but doesn't run around an get out of position. He competes . I just think the flames need meat and potatoes hockey players. He isn't flashy but these guys win you cups. I played centre my whole life and nothing is harder to beat than a big guy who can skate. Will he be a pp qb? Probably not,but I never like to put restrictions on players. However he can play on the second unit effectively l, he can kill penalties and munch minutes. I know Thomas hickey who was fourth overall and arguably the best draft eligible players out of calgary ever besides Hall or heatly. He didbt reach the ceiling he should have but fleury is much farther along at the same time and he has more tools in the tool kit. And I doubt he busts like Thomas did (Thomas is still a top four d and was a plus player most of the season playing in front of Nabokov.)

[nik-]

"not good" and "not a top 5 pick" aren't the same thing.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by snipetype

Can someone just please tell me why fleury is not good. CP has made it very clear dal colle has character issues and his skating issues are apparent to the most casual of observers. But no one has really explained what's wrong with fleury. He's big fast smart makes simple smart plays and is a very good puck mover. He's physical but doesn't run around an get out of position. He competes . I just think the flames need meat and potatoes hockey players. He isn't flashy but these guys win you cups. I played centre my whole life and nothing is harder to beat than a big guy who can skate. Will he be a pp qb? Probably not,but I never like to put restrictions on players. However he can play on the second unit effectively l, he can kill penalties and munch minutes. I know Thomas hickey who was fourth overall and arguably the best draft eligible players out of calgary ever besides Hall or heatly. He didbt reach the ceiling he should have but fleury is much farther along at the same time and he has more tools in the tool kit. And I doubt he busts like Thomas did (Thomas is still a top four d and was a plus player most of the season playing in front of Nabokov.)

None of us are hating on Fleury, we all just feel that Draisaitl/Dal Colle/Ritchie at #5 are going to benefit the Flames more. We need big forwards that can score, a potential top 6 player. Drafting Fleury at #5 is too soon.