Brad Treliving needs to go

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hartley has enough of a rep, across different teams, that people can make some conclusions about whether to believe O’Brien, who has no reason to lie.

That means nothing. Again, we don't know what was said. What rep? As being a demanding coach? Who else broke down crying when Hartley spoke to them? I am curious to see the names. How do we know Sven was being abused? Because O Brian stepped in? Means nothing. Hartley could be giving a stern talking to Sven like many coaches do and Sven goes crybaby and O Brian feels bad for him and asks Bob to lay off. That doesn't mean Hartley said anything inappropriate. Most players who have played for Bob say his is a demanding but good coach. You are making assumptions based on nothing.

[nik-]

lol

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What's telling is how few people are posting in game day threads and post game threads. This has to be one of the all-time worst Flames seasons for a variety of reasons. Fans have checked out and lost enthusiasm as I can't remember any time since joining the forum that there's been less enthusiasm for any Flames team. There's simply not a single bright spot as the players have been crap. Ward was crap. Even Darryl Sutter has been crap. Brad Treliving has managed to create this black hole that's sucking anything good out of this franchise. Just an awful, awful season for the organization.

You hire the Phoenix Coyotes executive team, you get Phoenix Coyotes levels of failure. Sooner or later, you get Phoenix Coyotes levels of fan apathy.

I've been a fan of this team since I moved to Canada in 1989. I don't recall a time where I flat out refuse to watch televised games the way I do this year. Not only does this team suck, they're also an unlikable group.

[Moneyhands23]

Man I hope he is fired. I will happily take the pair of executives that just got burned by the Rangers

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That means nothing. Again, we don't know what was said. What rep? As being a demanding coach? Who else broke down crying when Hartley spoke to them? I am curious to see the names. How do we know Sven was being abused? Because O Brian stepped in? Means nothing. Hartley could be giving a stern talking to Sven like many coaches do and Sven goes crybaby and O Brian feels bad for him and asks Bob to lay off. That doesn't mean Hartley said anything inappropriate. Most players who have played for Bob say his is a demanding but good coach. You are making assumptions based on nothing.

Shane O'Brien, just a lazy slacker standing up for another one unless someone actually posts details about what exactly transpired.

https://theprovince.com/sports/shane...nucks-deadspin

I seem to recall him getting disciplined by Tampa for something similar, but I can't find any information.

[dammage79]

With all the accepting of responsibility Tree has done publicly for the last two years, the end result of this season might actually be his last.

I voted unsure if he should be fired and he would stay on but after watching the Flames after Sutter arrived and that not really working out either, I'm starting to belive the review is done. And he is likely gone.

[Jiri Hrdina]

There's been other stuff over the years with Hartley:
https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/f...y-was-a-bully/

From Corey Sarich:
"I could even take Mike Keenan and the head games that he played, but with Bob it was mental warfare"

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by _Q_

You hire the Phoenix Coyotes executive team, you get Phoenix Coyotes levels of failure. Sooner or later, you get Phoenix Coyotes levels of fan apathy.

I've been a fan of this team since I moved to Canada in 1989. I don't recall a time where I flat out refuse to watch televised games the way I do this year. Not only does this team suck, they're also an unlikable group.

I was going to make the exact same post relating to the bolded part of your statement.

This is the first year, since the 90s, where I have simply ignored the flames. Since 2004, I have purchased gamecenter/nhl live subscriptions so I can watch all my flames games from here in Toronto. This is the first year in that entire time, I have knowingly skipped watching their games nightly.

Flames management must be realizing the level of apathy growing with the team and the franchise amongst the fan base. I feel like rabid fans of this team have never had less of a connection to the roster. Maybe my view in invalid, given I don't live in CGY, but from CP, listening to the fan, talking to friends back home, etc, there just seems like forget apathy, but there is a very ill feeling towards the franchise, the team, but even the players themselves.

During the Sutter years, you could hate the GM, the coaching, the drafting, etc, but you tuned in because so many connected with an Iginla, a Kipper, a Regher, a Phaneuf, a langkow, a Conroy, etc, etc, that you just had to tune in for.

The only player for me on this entire roster that had that was gaudreau, but given the lack of ability for him to be a game breaker night in and night out, especially in the tough checking games, and the fact that it's clear the team should be moving him, I am not even intrigued with #13 anymore.

Nothing really exciting on the roster. Nothing really exciting, as far as blue chippers coming, in the prospect pool. An inevitable need for a rebuild. And a new, publicly paid for new arena upcoming. If the owners don't see that they need to do something in the short term to help draw more interest in the long term, then they are dumber than even I give them credit for....

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There's been other stuff over the years with Hartley:
https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/f...y-was-a-bully/

From Corey Sarich:
"I could even take Mike Keenan and the head games that he played, but with Bob it was mental warfare"

Just like Sutter kicked a guy right? Funny how the hard nose guys that demand their players play the way they want them to are the ones the players hate later and talk trash about. They are also the coaches that win.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If the owners don't see that they need to do something in the short term to help draw more interest in the long term, then they are dumber than even I give them credit for....

I would bank on them betting on fans craving to be back in person when CoVid restrictions are eased up. Crap product? who cares!! I can go to a Flames game for the first time in 2 years, yay!!!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Just like Sutter kicked a guy right? Funny how the hard nose guys that demand their players play the way they want them to are the ones the players hate later and talk trash about. They are also the coaches that win.

I'm just passing along info man. You can draw your own conclusions.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Just like Sutter kicked a guy right? Funny how the hard nose guys that demand their players play the way they want them to are the ones the players hate later and talk trash about. They are also the coaches that win.

I don't know what happened with Sven and not going to bury Hartley based on some anecdote with little detail. It doesn't sound great but can't say much more than that.

But there has been smoke with Hartley about how he treats players and he has had a very hard time finding work in the NHL. It took his close friend and godfather of his children to hire him here in Calgary.

Now I can't deny what he did with the team when he was here. At the time we were talking about culture change, Gio being the greatest captain in the history of the franchise, never quit, yadda yadda. And all of that has essentially disappeared.

Anyway Hartley's not coming back. He accomplished more here than any coach since Darryl so he does have that going for him. Which is nice.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Funny how Hartley is still one of the favourite topics here among the bad breaker uppers.

Seems to be among the people who speak most about giving whatever losers are currently on staff the benefit of the doubt. Brent, GG, Ward, Treliving, Sigalet to name a few. Been happening for years.

The most damning actual example Sarich brought forward, that I heard, of something Bob specifically did, was that Bob wouldn’t let them pass backward in the zone. Boo hoo.

And other than that, he used demotion as a stick for fringe players some of the time. I wonder if it worked better than just going ahead and gifting them top 6 time.

I also heard that the Dalai Lama told Hartley that on his death bed he would receive total consciousness, by the way.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

I would bank on them betting on fans craving to be back in person when CoVid restrictions are eased up. Crap product? who cares!! I can go to a Flames game for the first time in 2 years, yay!!!

this is definitely a reasonable counter argument I didn't think of... And a very very realistic way this plays out, unfortunately

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Funny how Hartley is still one of the favourite topics here among the bad breaker uppers.

Seems to be among the people who speak most about giving whatever losers are currently on staff the benefit of the doubt. Brent, GG, Ward, Treliving, Sigalet to name a few. Been happening for years.

The most damning actual example Sarich brought forward, that I heard, of something Bob specifically did, was that Bob wouldn’t let them pass backward in the zone. Boo hoo.

And other than that, he used demotion as a stick for fringe players some of the time. I wonder if it worked better than just going ahead and gifting them top 6 time.

I also heard that the Dalai Lama told Hartley that on his death bed he would receive total consciousness, by the way.

Big hitter the Lama.

[Stanley]

Hartley may have been a POS to some players, but he appeared to get the most out of our core of any of the past coaches since Tre took over...minus the one-hit-wonder regular season under Peters of course.

Trolling Torts will always be a win lol

[zamler]

Core was much younger, imagine Hartley with this sloth of a team.

[Igottago]

I don't even care that they fired Hartley, but if you're going to move on (prematurely I would argue) from a Jack Adams winning coach, you should at least have some good options lined up. People talk rightfully about the players inability to get it done in big games, but that is also something that could have been solved by the right coach earlier on in this rebuild. Who knows where these guys would have been with the correct leadership behind the bench. All the coaching hires until Sutter were really poor decisions. That is a span of what, 5 years? They spent 5-6 years of the rebuild playing a guessing game as to which no name coach was going to get this team to the next level, got tricked by one good season, and then finally when it was all burning down went and asked Sutter to join. And we don't even know if that was fully the GM's decision.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Funny how Hartley is still one of the favourite topics here among the bad breaker uppers.

Seems to be among the people who speak most about giving whatever losers are currently on staff the benefit of the doubt. Brent, GG, Ward, Treliving, Sigalet to name a few. Been happening for years.

The most damning actual example Sarich brought forward, that I heard, of something Bob specifically did, was that Bob wouldn’t let them pass backward in the zone. Boo hoo.

And other than that, he used demotion as a stick for fringe players some of the time. I wonder if it worked better than just going ahead and gifting them top 6 time.

I also heard that the Dalai Lama told Hartley that on his death bed he would receive total consciousness, by the way.

For me it's simply about where the line is for what coaches can and should do to motivate players. I think some of the things we have heard about Hartley are over that line. They may have been OK at one point, but not anymore.

Not everything has to turn into an argument about those other things you are bringing up.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For me it's simply about where the line is for what coaches can and should do to motivate players. I think some of the things we have heard about Hartley are over that line. They may have been OK at one point, but not anymore.

Not everything has to turn into an argument about those other things you are bringing up.

I may have missed it somewhere, but what are some of the things specifically? I read that a lot, but no one ever says what they are, other than threatening to have players sent down.