Star Wars

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I do believe fans who say the animated series like TCW are good, but I just can't get into animated star wars as someone raised on live action movies. The animation style takes me out of it.

So they're exempt in my mind.

I have my competent SW rankings as:

1) Empire Strikes Back
2) A New Hope
3) Andor
4) Return of the Jedi
5) Rogue One
6) Mandalorian S1-2
7) Revenge of the Sith
8) The Force Awakens

HM: Solo (I like the movie, but it just doesn't feel like SW canon)

Then a bunch of forgettable or cringe-inducing slop we only speak of in passing.

Ahsoka season 1 almost qualifies, but the last couple episodes were peak Disney awfulness so it undid all the good of the first half.


EDIT: After watching the final arc, I bump Andor up one. Second after Empire for me. ANH plays like the icing on top of everything Andor and R1 builds before it.

[Locke]

The animated shows were pretty good, but I cant blame anyone for not getting into them.

K-Train posted links to a guy that stitched them together in a more coherent movie format and that was the only way I got through it all.

In one sense...there is a lot of nonsense filler but in another sense, its just a TON of content in general.

Since Star Wars pretty much never happens in sequence, by the time I was watching The Clone Wars? I dont get the love for Ahsoka. She was a whiny, cowardly little brat, I have no idea what endeared her to so many fans.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by Locke

The animated shows were pretty good, but I cant blame anyone for not getting into them.

K-Train posted links to a guy that stitched them together in a more coherent movie format and that was the only way I got through it all.

In one sense...there is a lot of nonsense filler but in another sense, its just a TON of content in general.

Since Star Wars pretty much never happens in sequence, by the time I was watching The Clone Wars? I dont get the love for Ahsoka. She was a whiny, cowardly little brat, I have no idea what endeared her to so many fans.

You've spoken more about your dislike for Ahsoka than anyone who likes Ahsoka has in the last few posts alone...

I'm a fan of Ahsoka, but that's because I watched the Clone Wars when it first came out and didn't miss any of the episodes. A lot of the junk filler arcs helped to flesh her character out and by the end of the series I was rooting for her to succeed.

I hate how she is portrayed by Rosario Dawson.

[CaptainCrunch]

The last season of Clone Wars which was Ahsoka focused, was actually the best season of Clone Wars outside of the season where we got the Pong Krell story line, which was incredibly dark.



But that last season where she faced off against Maul, and we saw a way more violent interpretation of Order 66 was pure Star Wars.

[Sr. Mints]

Enjoying the hell out of my Star Wars rewatch. I squeezed Solo in before the Andor finale, then went right into Rogue One, and am currently watching 77 Star Wars.

I've never watched the saga chronologically before. It's great how, starting with AotC, there's this tease of the Death Star. As stand alone movies, the Senate plot lines are boring AF, but when you put it all together, it elevates it all.

Also, Chewy, C-3PO, and R2-D2 not receiving medals on Yavin is still an egregious oversight.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

Enjoying the hell out of my Star Wars rewatch. I squeezed Solo in before the Andor finale, then went right into Rogue One, and am currently watching 77 Star Wars.

I've never watched the saga chronologically before. It's great how, starting with AotC, there's this tease of the Death Star. As stand alone movies, the Senate plot lines are boring AF, but when you put it all together, it elevates it all.

Also, Chewy, C-3PO, and R2-D2 not receiving medals on Yavin is still an egregious oversight.

After all the work and sacrifice Cassian and Luthen do, then these two yobbers show up at the last second second, put everyone in danger by leading the Imperials to Yaven, and then happen to get a lucky shot on the Death Star...

...most of the people in attendance must have been like "WTF?"

[Locke]

[Fuzz]

Next time you feel like re-watching the prequels, give Episodes I-III - The Chosen One . One movie edited from the 3 by Topher Grace down to under 3 hours with all the garbage removed, leaving mostly just the story of Anakin's fall. The edit becomes a far darker, bleaker exposition. I'm not even sure 5 seconds of Jar-Jar was left in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fixingmovie...into_one_move/


Not sure these links still work, might have to hunt for it.

[Sr. Mints]

I went through the Star Wars film catalogue throughout May. I hadn't actually planned to do this, but after seeing Revenge of the Sith in the theatre and finishing Andor, I jumped straight into Rogue One. So my rewatch order is a bit screwy--but mostly chronological.

The Phantom Menace - 2/5
I must have said this in this thread at some point, but it bears repeating: a few interesting ideas, mostly buried in wooden dialogue and trade negotiations.

Attack of the Clones - 1/5
I really struggled to find anything good here. The dialogue is coarse and rough, the characters are irritating, and the story is..everywhere. I'm old and cranky now and any semblance of childlike wonder is gone; the scene where the Jedi show up on Geonosis used to rope me in every time, not so much any more.

Revenge of the Sith - 3/5
A film about how fascism rises from within, and how even good intentions can be twisted by power. It hit hard in 2005 and feels just as relevant in 2025.

Solo - 2/5
This only exists because Disney was cranking out as many Star Wars films as possible--a symptom of corporate greed more than creative vision. It failed, and I’d like to think Disney learned something (they didn’t). That said, Donald Glover as Lando was excellent--easily the highlight.

Rogue One - 4.5/5
Andor flows into this perfectly. Watching the final Andor episodes just before this really made it sing. I also appreciated the overarching storyline more--from Attack of the Clones through to Rogue One, the Emperor’s long game and the Death Star take shape. This film grabs the relay baton and runs it to gold.

Star Wars - 5/5
Classic.

The Empire Strikes Back - 5/5
Easily the movie I've seen more than any other. It doesn’t just hold up--it improves with age. I still catch new things each time: a line delivery, a glance, a shadow in the background. It morphs with each rewatch, depending on where I am in life.

Return of the Jedi - 3.5/5
I was musing to myself while watching that for years I thought Death Star II was the original, just half-blown up from Yavin. It’s like I didn’t know how to read for the first 20 years of my life.

The Force Awakens - 3/5
Looks like Star Wars, sounds like Star Wars, feels like Star Wars--but something’s off. It wasn’t bad, and it was a decent leap forward for Disney, but it wasn’t great either.

The Last Jedi - 4/5
I was in hospital around the time this came out (or when I finally saw it), and missed all the online discourse (10/10, would recommend for all future Star Wars movies.) The Last Jedi gets way more #### than it deserves. It's by far the best of the sequel trilogy. The final shot could have been the end of Star Wars and I'd be satisfied. That’s the real end of the Skywalker Saga, for me.

Rise of Skywalker - 0.5/5
#### me.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

Rise of Skywalker - 0.5/5
#### me.

Best review of this film that I've seen.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...only movie I've ever gone to see where I repeatedly checked my watch hoping it was almost over.

Probably the closest I've ever gotten to walking out of a movie.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Locke

Best review of this film that I've seen.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...only movie I've ever gone to see where I repeatedly checked my watch hoping it was almost over.

Probably the closest I've ever gotten to walking out of a movie.

Having the annual Christmas Showcase channel Star Wars marathons, I would always stop and watch whatever one was on.

This last year it was The RoS - I watched for 2 minutes and went to some random Big Bang Theory re-run that I've seen 100 times and is not really funny anymore. Still ended up being the better watch.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Liking one but not the other of TLJ and TROS is strange to me given that both come off as equally rudderless and not in the spirit of the movies that preceded them nor faithful to the beloved characters they dangle for nostalgia points.

But to each their own.

The Last Jedi being polarizing instead of universally disliked is an interesting case study to me as well.

It's beautifully shot but the content and storytelling is soulless, undercooked and forgettable. It just plays like a rebellious f-you to the star wars that came before it, not for any good reason, but just for the sake of it. That would be fine and even exciting if what Johnson replaced it with was actually riveting, but it was instead a whole lot of meh with a few dashes of disappointment (the jedi way should be abolished, Rey is no one and Snoke is easily disposed of).

Luke essentially wasn't Luke at all in that film. Even if you prefer him as the jaded alien milk version there's absolutely no continuity there and it does a poor job if justifying such a drastic change.

[CaptainCrunch]

The Phantom Menace - 2.5/5
A jarring use of CGI, and in some cases a radical overload of CGI. I was more captured in the story or Palpatine, Darth Sidious then anything else. Ewan was a exceptional casting choice. I think they pulled back on the Anakin story by making him a young innocent. A more angry teenaged Anakin would have been a better choice.


Attack of the Clones - 1/5
The hardest of the previews to watch. There were some great nuggets in there in terms of Lee as Dooku. but the dialogue didn't work, and it effected Hayden's performance. You had to really search hard to find those nuggets. I like how Palpatine had like 30 seconds in this move.

Revenge of the Sith - 3.5/5
I liked this movie, but it would have benefitted from the Harry Potter Treatment and been split into 2 movies. The bones of the fall of Skywalker were there, but when you read the novel, and the seduction of Anakin by Sidious its breathtaking and didn't make it into the movie. Loved the payoff of Jar Jar handing the galaxy to evil in the last movie. Ewan was exceptional.

Solo - 2/5
The actors tried, they all did, its weird it wasn't a dialogue issue, it was just an underwhelming story line.

Rogue One - 4.5/5
Great movie that came from the original crawl of ANH, everything worked and we didn't have the Jedi involved. We finally saw the rage filled Vader that we wanted to see.

Star Wars - 4.5/5
Classic, but George can't write natural dialogue.

The Empire Strikes Back - 5/5
Everything worked on this one, the writing, the effects, the fact that this is a movie where the Empire just outright smashed everyone and the Rebels are left with very little hope. Its still creepy that Lando was wearing Han's clothes.


Return of the Jedi - 3.5/5
A lot of really strong elements, we finally see Sidious again, and he owned his part of the movie. The Ewoks killing armoured professional soldiers with arrows sold a lot of lunch boxes, but was cringy.

The Force Awakens - 2.5/5
It was a retelling of ANH, but with a deathstar that could shoot deathstars out of its mouth it was so big. It left these really intriguing questions for me in the end, like who is Snoke. And after watching Rey with the Lightsaber I wondered if she was a clone of Anakin or Palpatine because of how she fought. Kylo just wasn't a strong villain for me, but we had Hux who was greasy and seemed like a really strong Nazi officer.

The Last Jedi - 2/5
We got knock knock jokes. Snoke is killed in a terrible joke move. Suddenly Rey's parents are really noone. the story line on the gambling world was awful and Finn started becoming the whoohoo guy. A lot of really questionable story telling decisions, that disconnected the first movie and the overarching story line. I really hated the Luke portrayal through most of the movie, but at least he died well.



Rise of Skywalker - -3/5
Awful in every single way. They had to insert Palpatine and ram a stick up his butt in a brutal rip off of Dark Empire. They took really cool Sith Lore and pissed on it. The actors at that point had mostly given up. Rose couldn't fight in the Rebellion because she had to study. Lando was his creepy self. Just everything was bad, even the CGI work and the ship design was outright lazy. The final battle was outright stupid from horses on space ships. To Rey beating Palpatine by crossing her swords. If there was a movie to have the negatives burned, it was this one. Sadly the Actors took the blame for this one, but they just didn't care by this point. But the writers and JJ completely pooped on this.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

That 3 for Rise of Skywalker is a typo right?

I'll admit Luke's death is the one well done thing with the legacy characters in TLJ.

How does any one watch the space Leia bit and not get immediately taken right out of it..

I hope someone at the studio eventually has the balls to eventually decanonize the sequels so they can build an actually awesome story post-ROTJ. Mando/Boba Fett episode 6 started things off nicely.

Plenty of EU content they could adapt.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I hope someone at the studio eventually has the balls to eventually decanonize the sequels so they can build an actually awesome story post-ROTJ. Mando/Boba Fett episode 6 started things off nicely.

Plenty of EU content they could adapt.

Please god, no. The Skywalker story is completely played out at this point. It's over. Done. Finito. The well is dry and it's time to move on. Star Wars is a big universe and there are so many other new & original stories they could tell without having to constantly fall back on the Skywalkers.

Besides, we already got a semi-sequel with the Mandalorian, which even gave us a brief but awesome moment with a post-ROTJ Luke at full power. That's good enough for me. What I want to see from the studio are fresh, new, original stories with all new characters.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

That 3 for Rise of Skywalker is a typo right?

I'll admit Luke's death is the one well done thing with the legacy characters in TLJ.

How does any one watch the space Leia bit and not get immediately taken right out of it..

I hope someone at the studio eventually has the balls to eventually decanonize the sequels so they can build an actually awesome story post-ROTJ. Mando/Boba Fett episode 6 started things off nicely.

Plenty of EU content they could adapt.

I believe that is a negative 3 out of 5

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Please god, no. The Skywalker story is completely played out at this point. It's over. Done. Finito. The well is dry and it's time to move on. Star Wars is a big universe and there are so many other new & original stories they could tell without having to constantly fall back on the Skywalkers.

Besides, we already got a semi-sequel with the Mandalorian, which even gave us a brief but awesome moment with a post-ROTJ Luke at full power. That's good enough for me. What I want to see from the studio are fresh, new, original stories with all new characters.

I would love to see the sequels stricken from the record your honour.


I'd either like to see a Prequel a few thousand years in the past. That took place in the war between the Sith and the Jedi, maybe introduce Darth Bane into Canon.


Or a few hundred years in the future, and bring in the Vong.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would love to see the sequels stricken from the record your honour.


I'd either like to see a Prequel a few thousand years in the past. That took place in the war between the Sith and the Jedi, maybe introduce Darth Bane into Canon.


Or a few hundred years in the future, and bring in the Vong.

When I started reading the New Jedi Order series I really really hated the Vong story line. Now, here we are a couple decades later and I'm like "A movie with the Vong? YES PLEASE!". I sometimes wonder if something is wrong with me.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Please god, no. The Skywalker story is completely played out at this point. It's over. Done. Finito. The well is dry and it's time to move on. Star Wars is a big universe and there are so many other new & original stories they could tell without having to constantly fall back on the Skywalkers.

Besides, we already got a semi-sequel with the Mandalorian, which even gave us a brief but awesome moment with a post-ROTJ Luke at full power. That's good enough for me. What I want to see from the studio are fresh, new, original stories with all new characters.

But, but, but Rey is a Skywalker now tho! At least according to that random old lady wandering in the desert...

Originally Posted by Buff

When I started reading the New Jedi Order series I really really hated the Vong story line. Now, here we are a couple decades later and I'm like "A movie with the Vong? YES PLEASE!". I sometimes wonder if something is wrong with me.

You've been hurt. Its understandable. Point on the doll where Star Wars hurt you...

[Yeah_Baby]

one of the movies allegedly coming out at some point is a Rey movie. But I doubt we ever see it