2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dammage79]

I'm conflicted on goaltending. I think Talbot definitely earned a new deal but I also don't think Rittich is the right partner either.

Personally I go clean slate like I wanted last year but tough to argue Talbot earning his spot either.

If they Sign Talbot I think they need a new younger back up.

Would really have loved to spend some picks on Korpisalo when there was a chance. That ship is long gone now.

Lehner I like but he's an Alpha goalie IMO. Needs the bulk of the starts.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

These are quite possibly the worst examples for justifying why you should spend $10M+ on a tandem.

Colorado and Tampa are two of the best teams right now, both spend less than $5M on their tandem. Tampa is going to have a much harder time competing when Vas’s extension kicks in.

There’s no rule about what you need to spend to be competitive, but spending low helps more than spending high, especially in the above examples where the highest paid guy in the tandem isn’t even the starter.

Just look at what goalies win Stanley Cups, that’s all. That’s what they should be chasing.

They’re either young goalies who become starters/stars (usually being tutored by an expensive veteran), or expensive star goalies. The only exception to the rule is Binnington/Allen last year and Niemi all those years ago.

Signing Talbot isn’t a bad move if you’re looking to maintain what they are. To me? Signing Talbot and bringing him back with Rittich is just accepting that you aren’t winning a Stanley Cup. At that stage, you better be selling Johnny and Sean - because if you aren’t pushing for a Cup, you better be rebuilding.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's the thing. Ward panicked.

Don't let the equipment comment cloud the issue here.

Actually, there are two issues here: the goaltending was awful; and Ward completely panicked and destroyed the team's energy

I disagree. The team is fragile as they’ve shown time and time again. The collapse was in motion and Ward tried to reset with a goalie change. I don’t blame him. The team has proven to be mentally weak and he was trying to snap them out of their tailspin.

[Calgary4LIfe]

If the Flames are going the retool way, then no to Talbot. Get a guy who isn't at the end of his career and has the proven ability to steal games. Talbot was fine, but I don't think he stole games. I think that, especially in the Dallas series, he was very lucky that a number of Dallas players couldn't shoot into wide-open nets.


Now, if you are going for a complete rebuild, then re-sign Talbot. You want a steady goalie that won't lose you games and put your team into a 'panicky' development environment, but you don't want a goalie stealing wins and keeping you out of the top picks either.

[TheScorpion]

Letting Brodie walk will be a repeat of when Cammalleri walked in 2009. I think the Flames miss the playoffs for years without his presence on D. They might lead the league in goals against. Similar to how the Flames finished dead last in scoring after cammalleri left

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

If the Flames are going the retool way, then no to Talbot. Get a guy who isn't at the end of his career and has the proven ability to steal games. Talbot was fine, but I don't think he stole games. I think that, especially in the Dallas series, he was very lucky that a number of Dallas players couldn't shoot into wide-open nets.


Now, if you are going for a complete rebuild, then re-sign Talbot. You want a steady goalie that won't lose you games and put your team into a 'panicky' development environment, but you don't want a goalie stealing wins and keeping you out of the top picks either.

This is 100% how I feel. When you get peppered the way the Flames did, any goalie looks good. Flames play a bend not break type defensive system which allows us to get pinned and dominated on the shot clock. The way we collapse and try to play transition always allows the other teams to get back a lot easier. Even from the qualifying round, how many odd man rushes did we generate? I can't remember many vs how many we give up.

[blender]

Agree about Talbot. Talk to an oilers fan. There's good Talbot and bad Talbot. Hard pass

[Poe969]

"Talk to an oiler fan"?!?!?!?! haven't we been through enough? The Flames just got bounced again and now you want us to willingly talk to a bunch of mouth breathers??

[1qqaaz]

Talbot is simply too old (33 years).
He's just not the future in net.

[mrdonkey]

I honestly don't care whether we keep Talbot or Rittich. As long as we don't keep both.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think we should take a stab at Murray. Buy low candidate.

That, or maybe Andersen since the Leafs are in a cap crunch.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Letting Brodie walk will be a repeat of when Cammalleri walked in 2009. I think the Flames miss the playoffs for years without his presence on D. They might lead the league in goals against. Similar to how the Flames finished dead last in scoring after cammalleri left

I don’t know about signing another 30+ player to a long term deal. This team needs to shake up the core not double down on it.

If Brodie is interested in 3 years at similar money then sure but no to 5-6 years at a significant raise. He had a nice year but he is also has been a whipping boy for more than one year of the last 5 years.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t know about signing another 30+ player to a long term deal. This team needs to shake up the core not double down on it.

If Brodie is interested in 3 years at similar money then sure but no to 5-6 years at a significant raise. He had a nice year but he is also has been a whipping boy for more than one year of the last 5 years.

Who are you going to replace him with, then?

They have basically nobody in the system and every other UFA dman (other than Pietrangelo and Krug, who will both cost a ton) is worse.

He was a whipping boy because he was being played on his off side with Wideman and Hamonic, two below-average dmen.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don’t think it’s a case of letting him walk
He’s choosing to walk
Probably for family reasons

[blender]

Flames need to target big men who can skate. Seems like the Vegas model. Own the middle of the ice with speed and size.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Letting Brodie walk will be a repeat of when Cammalleri walked in 2009. I think the Flames miss the playoffs for years without his presence on D. They might lead the league in goals against. Similar to how the Flames finished dead last in scoring after cammalleri left

I'm sure the Flames would keep him if they could, so it's not a matter of just letting him walk like they did with Cammalleri. The guy's got a family who needs to be somewhere out east and there's really nothing to be done about it.

The mistake made in this situation was not trading him when it became clear he wouldn't be re-signing. Management once again squandered an opportunity to generate long-term assets because of an unfortunate injury situation for a few weeks in February. It was clearly going to be a go-nowhere season anyway, so I'm not sure what exactly they were trying to salvage by holding onto him.

[kurwamac]

The best comment was them doing a Hamilton for an up and coming younger player.


I doubt any of these other proposals happen.


If Talbot gets extended, they might take a shot at Lehner and trade Talbot if successful. Rittich will get shopped. They might trade Gaudreau or hold him to see how he fits in with Hall (on the roster not same line). If Hall wants to come here, he's probably looking to play with Monahan or Lindholm as his C. Hall won't come here for a rebuild - that's Edmonton years 2.0.


They'll tweak the roster, ride it for a while, then maybe make another move around trade deadline, then look at a rebuild 1-2 years down the road. They'll juice this roster for what it's worth. They're more likely to paint themselves as Colorado during their down year - than to do a full rebuild.

[Doctorfever]

Gaudreau to buffalo for johansson and their first overall

[flamesforcup]

What about Logan Couture? He has a big contract but hes a great player and San Jose is a team in the same boat as us. Looking to make a change.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

What about Logan Couture? He has a big contract but hes a great player and San Jose is a team in the same boat as us. Looking to make a change.

Same age as Backlund so $8M for a 30+ player