2016 NHL Draft

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'd take Monahan as a prospect easily over any of Dubois/Tkachuk/Brown/Nylander. They are different types of players, with Brown being more of a Tanguay/Thornton playmaker type, where Monahan is a shooter first but can do other things.

I agree that Monahan's skillset better suits the Flames, since he plays with Gaudreau (who considers himself as a playmaker).

Also important to note that Logan Brown is on a team with 4 50+ point players (one of which has 90). Monahan was the only player with more than 40 points on his team, and he almost doubled everyone else in points. He had virtually no linemates.

[bigrangy]

I think the big question on draft day will be "best of big 3 OHL dmen" vs nylander vs brown. Can't see any other arguments for BPA once the big 5 have been picked.

I'm for Nylander right now, partly because of need, and partly because I think he is BPA. Led his team in scoring, while Brown did not. Brown has an awfully tempting package though.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Agreed. I think it's Tkachuk/Dubois and one of Chychrun, Sergachev, Juolevi, Nylander or Brown in the Flames top 6

[Samonadreau]

What are Browns rankings on scouting services?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

What are Browns rankings on scouting services?

Well most final rankings aren't out yet. On CSS Brown finished 7th in NA. So when you add in Matthew, Laine and Pulju he's rated to go around #10 by them. He is ahead of Sergachev, Keller, Gauthier, McLeod, etc

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm

But Brown is a late riser. And he's a big centre. So he's likely to go slightly ahead of where some of the rankings have him because NHL teams covet big, skilled centres to a high degree.

But he's not top 10 on Redline. Button hasn't moved him that high yet either. I'm not convinced he's in the Flames top 6 but you can't rule it out.

Biggest thing is that both Damien Cox and Craig Button seem to believe that some NHL teams have him top 6. That's almost worth more than what the independent scouting services say because their contacts are NHL scouts.

[Rick M.]

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...profiles-ranks

I thought this chart comparing various rankings was interesting, even though it's from a Habs fansite.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well most final rankings aren't out yet. On CSS Brown finished 7th in NA. So when you add in Matthew, Laine and Pulju he's rated to go around #10 by them. He is ahead of Sergachev, Keller, Gauthier, McLeod, etc

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm

But Brown is a late riser. And he's a big centre. So he's likely to go slightly ahead of where some of the rankings have him because NHL teams covet big, skilled centres to a high degree.

But he's not top 10 on Redline. Button hasn't moved him that high yet either. I'm not convinced he's in the Flames top 6 but you can't rule it out.

Biggest thing is that both Damien Cox and Craig Button seem to believe that some NHL teams have him top 6. That's almost worth more than what the independent scouting services say because their contacts are NHL scouts.

In buttons post draft mock draft he had Brown going #5 - Link

[getbak]

In past years, someone put together a chart showing the high, low, and average rankings of each of the top prospects. Is there one for this year's draft?

[icarus]

Is there any NHLe or similar comparator to see how Brown stacks up against Jost and Keller numbers wise? Because those latter two really intrigue me as skilled scorers.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Demetric

In buttons post draft mock draft he had Brown going #5 - Link

Yeah in his mock he has him going high. Which means he thinks the NHL teams will take him high. In his own rankings of where he would take the players Brown hasn't moved that far up yet. This indicates to me that he has some intel from other scouts suggesting that their team has Brown in the top 5-8.

For example in 2014 in his mock draft he had Virtanen going top 7-8, he thought an NHL team would take him that high. But in his own personal rankings he had Virtanen in the 40's, he wouldn't have taken him 1st round.

Anyways there is a distinction between his rankings and his mock drafts. Mock drafts are an attempt to guess how the NHL draft will go. His rankings are how he would take the players, it's his attempt to guess who will be the best players from the draft.

[albertGQ]

Flames took another step closer to getting Dallas' 2nd round pick (~56). So that would give us two picks in the mid 50's. Who are the top 2 or 3 ranked goalies? I know we drafted McDonald pretty early in 2014, but can you see us using one of our three 2nd rounders to take a goalie? I wouldn't want to with #35 (Mason was drafted with #34) but wouldnt be opposed to grabbing one in the 50s.

Haven't heard much of goalies in this draft. Last year Samsanov was taken in the first round.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Flames took another step closer to getting Dallas' 2nd round pick (~56). So that would give us two picks in the mid 50's. Who are the top 2 or 3 ranked goalies? I know we drafted McDonald pretty early in 2014, but can you see us using one of our three 2nd rounders to take a goalie? I wouldn't want to with #35 (Mason was drafted with #34) but wouldnt be opposed to grabbing one in the 50s.

Haven't heard much of goalies in this draft. Last year Samsanov was taken in the first round.

I might be wrong but the top 3 goalies appear to be Evan Fitzpatrick, Carter Hart and Gustavsson from SWE.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I agree that Monahan's skillset better suits the Flames, since he plays with Gaudreau (who considers himself as a playmaker).

Also important to note that Logan Brown is on a team with 4 50+ point players (one of which has 90). Monahan was the only player with more than 40 points on this team, and he almost doubled everyone else in points. He had virtually no linemates.

These are important notes - I always look to see where a player fits on the team relative to total points, and how high he is relative to his teammates.

However, to be fair, Monahan was a much more mature player who many thought might be NHL-ready - and then he goes and proves that he was.

Everything I have read states that Brown is heading back to junior and will need a couple of seasons before he turns pro. Physically I can see it - he is pretty thin still.

There are people who also think that guys who are underdeveloped physically but are doing really well have just that much room to grow. There are a lot of arguments that seem to go rather circular. That is why watching the player is the way to go whenever possible, but yeah.. there is a lot to consider.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I might be wrong but the top 3 goalies appear to be Evan Fitzpatrick, Carter Hart and Gustavsson from SWE.

Do you know where most publications have them ranked? Are they all 2nd rounders? I haven't heard of any that could potentially go in the first round like I did last year with Ilya Samsonov.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Do you know where most publications have them ranked? Are they all 2nd rounders? I haven't heard of any that could potentially go in the first round like I did last year with Ilya Samsonov.

Carter Hart has the highest potential to go first. Seen a couple mocks where he goes late 1st. Early to mid 2nd for the other two I think.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Carter Hart has the highest potential to go first. Seen a couple mocks where he goes late 1st. Early to mid 2nd for the other two I think.

Thanks. Anyone think we will draft one at 35? I hope not. If one or two are available in the mid 50s, I'd be okay with taking a flyer on one.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I'd take Monahan as a prospect easily over any of Dubois/Tkachuk/Brown/Nylander. They are different types of players, with Brown being more of a Tanguay/Thornton playmaker type, where Monahan is a shooter first but can do other things.

Dubois may be a comparable or superior prospect to Monahan. Agree on Monahan >> the other three though, they all seem like a step down, closer to an Elias Lindholm.

[druetetective]

If we take Logan Brown over Sergachev we will regret it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by icarus

Is there any NHLe or similar comparator to see how Brown stacks up against Jost and Keller numbers wise? Because those latter two really intrigue me as skilled scorers.

The BCHL and USNTDP are tough to project, which is part of why both those players are probably lower in the rankings than their talent level.

What we do know though, is Keller as a 17 year old had:

37 points in 23 USHL games to lead his team (17 year old Eichel had 45 in 24, Matthews had 48 in 24, Tkachuk had 33 in 24 but played with Matthews, Larkin had 26 in 26)

11 points in 6 games vs NCAA Tournament teams (18 year old Kyle Connor had 6 in 5GP, 22 year old Jimmy Vesey had 9 in 11GP)

10 points in 6 games vs other NCAA Div 1 teams (18 year old Kyle Connor had 65 in 33)

14 points in 7 U18-WC games (his teammate Logan Brown had 13 in 9)

107 points in 62 USNTDP games (only Auston Matthews in the program's history has put up more, that even includes Patrick Kane and Jack Eichel)

It's really easy to see that he's going to be dominant player in NCAA next year, and NCAA is a great place for a smaller guy like him to develop against grown men. Aside from Matthews he might be the most skilled offensive guy in the draft.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...o-be-in-fourth

[Flames Draft Watcher]

ISS May rankings are out

http://www.isshockey.com/iss-hockey-...-30-for-may-2/

1. Matthews (C)
2. Puljujarvi (RW)
3. Laine (W)
4. Nylander (W)
5. Dubois (W/C)
6. Tkachuk (LW)
7. Brown (C)
8. Chychrun (D)
9. Jost (W/C)
10. Sergachev (D)

Interesting to see Nylander above Tkachuk/Dubois for them.

Some interesting critique of their past lists in this HF thread on list

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...#post117868961

Most notably they had Michael Dal Colle ahead of Bennett/Draisaitl and Nylander ahead of Draisaitl that year. They had Crouse ahead of Marner in 2015. No Pastrnak in their 1st round.