2024 NFL Season Thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The kickers career long was 55. I believe if he had kicked it was 57… why not just go for the kick.

Because he can only kick the ball 55 yards ….

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Because he can only kick the ball 55 yards ….

lol great analysis. It’s not like kickers aren’t beating their career best. Maybe we can use your logic on other positions as well. A QB who only threw for 4500 yards gets capped at that as well.

Nice of you to follow me around in different threads.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Santos literally has the puniest leg in the league, and has for several seasons. His great trait is extremely high accuracy under 50, but he can only make long FGs with low, driving kicks, which as we've seen this year have a tendency to get blocked. 55 is likely his absolute max range. Really the issue was not trying to pick up five yards on 3rd down to at least give him a shot. Although, again, thanks to the Bears for doing that so we didn't have to sit through what could have been the worst OT in history.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Tough to argue. He could be getting fired this year.

At the start of the year though, he was in his 3rd year after starting off without a 1st round pick and did what everyone was saying he should, in tearing it all down.. so really how much ripe do you give a guy who was tasked with scorching the earth?

He definitely has his bad deals (nate Davis, chase claypool) but he has some good ones in there as well. He needed to address the offensive line and failed miserably

Yeah, I guess I'm more thinking on the coaching front. That said, it could have been the terrible ownership there that quashed firing Eberflus after last season.

[Sylvanfan]

Looking at week 18 I think the following games could be flexed to the Saturday and Sunday time slots.

Steelers and Bengals
particularly if the Bengals beat the Broncos this week. Steelers still have a Longshot at the AFC North and Bengals at a WC berth. I'd guess this to be the first Saturday game as the Bengals are potentially the third team with tie breakers.

Dolphins vs Patriots
It's not an exciting game, but if Miami was to win this week at Cleveland, they set themselves up to be the potential number 2 team with a 9-8 record due to a better Conference record. At least with Drake May the Patriots at home against a meek weakling like McDaniels offers some upset intrigue. That said Cleveland has a shot at the upset this week with how bad Miami is in cold weather.

Colts and Jaguars
It's a P.O.S. game. But the Colts are the team who potentially win a 4 way tie of 9-8 teams for the last AFC Wildcard spot. Somehow they would be tied for best Conference record plus hold the tie breaker over Miami from the head to head win. That said does the league want Doug Pederson playing a fourth string QB in the 4th to ensure he loses and gets fired again.

Seahawks at Rams
If the Rams schaat themselves and lose to the Cardinals than this becomes the Sunday night game. If they don't it depends how the strength of victory thing shakes out this week. But with wins vs the Bills and Vikings hard to see that changing enough to give Seattle a chance. But if Green those teams lose this week and Denver and Miami plus a couple others do win, maybe this one makes the cut if the Rams win.

Falcons at Panthers
Again a less than appealing matchup. But if it's a win and in for the Falcons the Panthers have at least been competitive in recent weeks and might offer a degree of viewability.

Saints at Bucs
Depending on how this week the Bucs might hold the win and in hammer. But I have to think the league does not want another Saints game on T.V. unless Teemu throws an ungodly sum at them to market their Spencer Rattler merch as a cheap poor quality knockoff of Patrick Mahomes stuff.

Chiefs at Broncos
Unlikely, but if this week plays out badly they might have the Broncos as a win to get in team. If all the other options crash and burn...it might still be better than the Colts vs Jags.

Vikings at Lions
In a perfect world this game sets up as win and you're the one seed. If that happens it's certainly the Sunday night game to close the season. In order for it to happen the Vikings need to beat Green Bay at home this week or the Lions need to eff up against the 49'ers. A Lions win and Vikings loss makes this game meaningless.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Santos literally has the puniest leg in the league, and has for several seasons. His great trait is extremely high accuracy under 50, but he can only make long FGs with low, driving kicks, which as we've seen this year have a tendency to get blocked. 55 is likely his absolute max range. Really the issue was not trying to pick up five yards on 3rd down to at least give him a shot. Although, again, thanks to the Bears for doing that so we didn't have to sit through what could have been the worst OT in history.

It was what like 40 degrees and raining by game end after it had been raining all night....Santos is struggling to get it 48 yards in cold damp weather. Anyone who paid money to sit in 5 degrees and rain to watch those teams is a die hard. I would turn down a free ticket for thst in that weather. I might be willing to pay like $200 to see a Ravend vs Bills in that....I'd rather be in -10 and snow than cold rain though. I'm soft.

[Robbob]

The bears issue is they tried to get all the yards at once. Shouldn't have been hard to pick up 5 or 7 yards with 3 attempts to make it closer to a 50 yard attempt. Who knows maybe getting the ball in one of their play makers to see if they can make a player miss in a one on one situation. Worst case you probably pick up a handful of yards to make the kick easier.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

lol great analysis. It’s not like kickers aren’t beating their career best. Maybe we can use your logic on other positions as well. A QB who only threw for 4500 yards gets capped at that as well.

Nice of you to follow me around in different threads.

Well your example would be a QB who can only throw 55 yards trying a Hail Mary from 60 and falling 5 yards short (except I’m that scenario at least you can get a lucky bounce )

It’s literally the reason they didn’t try a 57 yard FG - because he CANT kick it that far

Not sure why you think there’s more to it . These guys know their max range before the game .

[MRCboicgy]

Looks like Deshawn is staying in Cleveland
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...cture-contract

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Looks like Deshawn is staying in Cleveland
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...cture-contract

Such a bad trade & contract.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Looks like Deshawn is staying in Cleveland
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...cture-contract

I may (probably) am wrong - But doesnt this actually make it easier for Cleveland to trade him as a cap dump for picks?

The Patriots for example have 100 million in cap space for next year. Doesn't this make is easier for Cleveland to trade him to NE with picks and cash for Nothing, NE to release him, and NE spread the cap hit over a few more years?

[Sylvanfan]

https://www.nfl.com/news/longtime-cb...ncer-at-age-78

Sad news with long time broadcaster Greg Gumbel passing away from cancer earlier today. First African American to call a Superbowl on network T.V. was also a long time host for NFL Today and other pregame shows. Also broadcast NCAA March Madness too.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I may (probably) am wrong - But doesnt this actually make it easier for Cleveland to trade him as a cap dump for picks?

The Patriots for example have 100 million in cap space for next year. Doesn't this make is easier for Cleveland to trade him to NE with picks and cash for Nothing, NE to release him, and NE spread the cap hit over a few more years?

I’m 99% sure that, as soon as you release a player, all of their guaranteed money (in Watson’s case all of his contract) hits the team’s books as dead cap space for that year.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, I guess I'm more thinking on the coaching front. That said, it could have been the terrible ownership there that quashed firing Eberflus after last season.

Sounds like Warren and the head office wanted Eberflus gone and Poles stuck with him.
That and his inability to protect Williams will be his undoing.

Bears current oline is built of a 1st round pick, 5th round pick, 6th round pick and 2 undrafted players. Just unacceptable and inexcusable.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I’m 99% sure that, as soon as you release a player, all of their guaranteed money (in Watson’s case all of his contract) hits the team’s books as dead cap space for that year.

Correct - But when you trade a player their bonuses are (sometimes?) responsible for the team that is trading (you can't "trade" away pushed out 'cap' space )

I am wondering if this allows Cleveland to trade him post X date (I forget the important dates) and eat a 50 mil cap hit for example, and NE to then release (In this example) and eat the remaining 100 million cap hit

Would Clev trade their first rounder to get out from the contract? NE won't need the cap in 2025, and Kraft has enough real $$.

Seems weird to restructure at this point of the season just to "free" cap space for free agency next year. What was the rush

[Sylvanfan]

From what I've seen it adds a voidable years after 2028 which in essence gives the Browns much more flexibility if they were to cut ties in 2026 to spread out the dead cap. Seems like he'd be back with the Browns next year, but it's easier to move on after next season.

[Sylvanfan]

Chargers looking like they'll handle the Patriots pretty easily here. They're pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot, but two more wins and they could grab the number 5 spot. I'd much prefer to go to Houston as opposed to Baltimore or Pittsburgh.

[EldrickOnIce]

That's looked pretty wide right to me

[KelVarnsen]

I don’t know what’s worse. The Pats or the commentators for the game.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That's looked pretty wide right to me

I think if the uprights were say 10 feet higher it doinks on the outside. The rule says the entire ball must pass through the outside of the uprights. To my untrained eye it looked more like half the ball would have been outside the outer line.