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camm13 · 09-15-2021, 04:23 PM

On the topic of Jankowski, he has signed a PTO with NJ.

Monahammer · 09-15-2021, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by camm13

On the topic of Jankowski, he has signed a PTO with NJ.

Do you just enter a thread and read the last comment?

camm13 · 09-15-2021, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Do you just enter a thread and read the last comment?

Yes. I read the last page.

Monahammer · 09-15-2021, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by camm13

Yes. I read the last page.

Huh sorry for being a dick I suppose I read about all the conversation on that subject in another thread!

mrdonkey · 09-15-2021, 04:34 PM

Anyone heard anything about Mark Jankowski?

GranteedEV · 09-15-2021, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Not sure how you are under that impression because it has been a topic of conversation for years. I have always been one of Gio's biggest fans, and this is in no way a 'slogging the outgoing player' thing, but foot speed was never his biggest asset, and time has made it worse.

Suggesting Giordano is faster than Zadorov is what is laughable.

I don't think food speed was a major issue for Giordano last year. He wasn't as quick as he was at his peak, but he was still, at least an average skater. He also kept the team pace up by still making quick, effective decisions on-and-off the puck.

Is Zadorov a better skater than 38 year old giordano? Maybe, although I'm unsure. I've not read him described as an above average skater, either way.

Is Zadorov a quicker decision-maker? Uhm...

GioforPM · 09-15-2021, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Pitlick has a good shot too

pretty lazy to just assume he is slow because he is a bottom six player...so was Reider.

Pitlick is an upgrade to last years bottom six but that isn't saying much. Hopefully he plays like he did in Philly/Dallas. Hard to take stats playing with the Yotes too seriously.

I see Pitlick as Nordstrom with a bit more offence (and he's a RHS).

bax · 09-15-2021, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I see Pitlick as Nordstrom with a bit more offence (and he's a RHS).

Pitlick was used against top lines as a shutdown guy pretty often last season playing for the yotes. Not to mention he played on average over 5 minutes more per game than Nordstrom.

I think you’re selling him short here. Nordstrom was a below replacement level player save for his work on the PK. Pitlick can actually contribute all over the ice and at even strength.

GioforPM · 09-15-2021, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bax

Pitlick was used against top lines as a shutdown guy pretty often last season playing for the yotes. Not to mention he played on average over 5 minutes more per game than Nordstrom.

I think you’re selling him short here. Nordstrom was a below replacement level player save for his work on the PK. Pitlick can actually contribute all over the ice.

Maybe. But I actually liked Nordstrom - IMO the dude had skills but he just couldn't finish. And he played mostly with guys that couldn't as well. I liked his skating, forechecking and hitting. I actually think he was top 3 in forwards for skating ability.

bax · 09-15-2021, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe. But I actually liked Nordstrom - IMO the dude had skills but he just couldn't finish. And he played mostly with guys that couldn't as well. I liked his skating, forechecking and hitting. I actually think he was top 3 in forwards for skating ability.

Fair enough. I liked the effort level Nordstrom seemed to bring consistently but to me he always just felt like a player that wasn’t skilled enough to meaningfully contribute to an NHL roster anymore.

dino7c · 09-15-2021, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Zadorov is not a good skater, far from it. In the Colorado series I would be very happy when Zadorov was on the ice. He looked slow as molasses.

I'm honestly confused as how anyone can say he is a good skater.

Did you actually watch that series because Zadorov was better than any of the Flames dmen. He stood out as one of the best Avs...said it at the time so it's not a homer take.

Also he isn't slow, you will see

According to most of CP Tanev was no good last summer

dino7c · 09-15-2021, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

After he left the team

Gio is older so he lost some foot speed but to say Zadorov is faster than him is laughable. The complains from Chicago was he is slow on the back check and not fast enough for their team.

It’s also debatable there is a difference between Pitlick and Bennett in speed. Bennett is not slow. That’s Monahan, Tkachuk and Lucic

The reason he was drafted so high is because he skates very well for his size...go read his draft profiles.

Gio is no spring chicken, he was getting beat a lot last season and fans were saying long before he left the team

GioforPM · 09-15-2021, 06:56 PM

With the new announcement and COVID numbers all over I’m still not convinced the taxi squad isn’t coming back.

klikitiklik · 09-15-2021, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

So, any trade rumors out there? I'm especially interested in ones about that Jack Eichel guy.

I'm going to start a rumour that Tree is making offers for Kadri but it has to happen right now to make sense. Thats why we have so many defensemen

Poe969 · 09-15-2021, 07:17 PM

Everything has to happen now to make sense and nothing is happening that's why nothing makes sense!

bluejays · 09-15-2021, 08:38 PM

Doubt that anyone is in a position to answer this question, but re: Eichel. If he starts the season playing with the Sabres without going to surgery, is there a possibility he puts himself in a position to hurt himself further? If that's the case, I think he's dealt by end of October. If it's not a degenerative injury then they hold onto him until the deadline.

cam_wmh · 09-15-2021, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fleury

Doubt that anyone is in a position to answer this question, but re: Eichel. If he starts the season playing with the Sabres without going to surgery, is there a possibility he puts himself in a position to hurt himself further? If that's the case, I think he's dealt by end of October. If it's not a degenerative injury then they hold onto him until the deadline.

I don't think he can play. He's currently on the IR, per Capfriendly.

The Cobra · 09-16-2021, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_wmh

I don't think he can play. He's currently on the IR, per Capfriendly.

But he could presumably be removed from IR.

Goriders · 09-16-2021, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

The reason he was drafted so high is because he skates very well for his size...go read his draft profiles.

Gio is no spring chicken, he was getting beat a lot last season and fans were saying long before he left the team

Gio noticeably lost foot speed last season and was making up for it with positional play. Which you can usually do until you come up against players like MacKinnon or mcdavid.

The league is getting faster and younger every year. Gio wasn’t doing either of those. His leadership will definitely be missed. But I think we won’t have as much of a drop off on the ice as a few on here seem to think.

The new adds like Zadorov and Gudbranson, as well as Stone, bring and added layer of physicallity that this team has been sorely lacking for a number of years. I’m looking forward to seeing what they can do.

Calgary4LIfe · 09-16-2021, 09:33 AM

Might as well opine here on some players:
Giordano is not slow - remember when there was a miscue, and an opposing player seemed to have a breakaway last season, only to have Giordano roaring back and stopping it? Seems people don't remember that. Giordano is a fairly quick defencemen, and though I wouldn't classify Zadorov as slow, Giordano is quite a bit faster.

Bennett is slow? Fast in a straight line, slow on edges? Fast on edges, slow in a straight line? He is quick all over the ice. Remember, he was the 2nd fastest on this team in the puck skills competition second only to Gaudreau - you can't be weak on your edges and do well there. Bennett was easily top 5 in top speed and on his edges.

For the record, Lucic is the fastest skater on the team, bar none. Trouble is he takes a while to get there, so he isn't a 'quick' player. First 2 or 3 steps is below average, and that doesn't mean a whole lot except for the odd time he starts skating hard from his blue line and the Flames are dumping it in. That must be a nightmare for opposing defencemen.

People forget this, but Keegan Kanzig was #1 in training camp in top speed and beat everyone on mountain climbers - including Brodie! Again, his first step wasn't strong, and laterally he was very bad. Top speed though.. whoa.

Zadorov may have a better top speed than Giordano, but in no way is he remotely close to Giordano in agility - not his first (and second!) step, and not his lateral mobility, and not in his change of direction. That's what made Brodie the best skater on the Flames for years, even though Lucic and Kanzig were actually faster.