2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

They can't risk filling 4 defensive spots via free agency, there will have to be a trade with a defender coming back, and that defender can't cost the moon either.

Then they shouldn't be trying to fill those gaps using their #1 trade chip.

Other assets can be moved to fill those holes.

[TheScorpion]

If the Flames look at Tony DeAngelo as any sort of solution to this team's problems, it might be time to throw in the towel on this management group.

Not only is the guy a huge loser, he's also a bad defender.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If the Flames look at Tony DeAngelo as any sort of solution to this team's problems, it might be time to throw in the towel on this management group.

Not only is the guy a huge loser, he's also a bad defender.

I absolutely don't want this racist piece of trash wearing Flames colours.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If the Flames look at Tony DeAngelo as any sort of solution to this team's problems, it might be time to throw in the towel on this management group.

Not only is the guy a huge loser, he's also a bad defender.

DeAngelo is the perfect guy to bring in if you're trying to put your team in the worst light possible while creating the most toxic environment inside the locker room an individual player can bring.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1296878502701137923

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1296878502701137923

The answer is in the room.

The growth will come from inside the room.

Yatta yatta yatta.

This team just is being run by someone with a flawed understanding of how a roster should be built, and because of that they won't improve.

Talbot + Rittich is not a Stanley Cup duo. If they bring Talbot and Rittich back, all they're doing is settling for mediocrity and hoping they can squeak into the playoffs again. No improvement.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1296878502701137923

I'm actually ok with this. 2-year deal at the most.

[AC]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The answer is in the room.

The growth will come from inside the room.

Yatta yatta yatta.

This team just is being run by someone with a flawed understanding of how a roster should be built, and because of that they won't improve.

Talbot + Rittich is not a Stanley Cup duo. If they bring Talbot and Rittich back, all they're doing is settling for mediocrity and hoping they can squeak into the playoffs again. No improvement.

While overall I agree, I don't think goaltending was the issue. Our team D fell apart and our top offense was built around a house of cards.

Bringing back Talbot on a favourable contract and spending the money elsewhere to overhaul the team makes sense to me. If Markstrom signs for $7M is that money worth it over Talbot at $3.5 or $4M?

[SeanCharles]

Although I’m not completely against it, am I the only one who doesn’t see Talbot as anything more than a good backup goalie?

I don’t think 2 backups as a tandem again will do us any good.

Talbot will want a few million.

I’d rather try and pry a goalie out of a team with 2 good guys that are worried about expansion..

[AC]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Although I’m not completely against it, am I the only one who doesn’t see Talbot as anything more than a good backup goalie?

I don’t think 2 backups as a tandem again will do us any good.

Talbot will want a few million.

I’d rather try and pry a goalie out of a team with 2 good guys that are worried about expansion..

Merzlikins? Not interested in Murray personally.

Georgiev another option.

[868904]

Originally Posted by AC

While overall I agree, I don't think goaltending was the issue. Our team D fell apart and our top offense was built around a house of cards.

Bringing back Talbot on a favourable contract and spending the money elsewhere to overhaul the team makes sense to me. If Markstrom signs for $7M is that money worth it over Talbot at $3.5 or $4M?

Agreed.

Talbot stole Game 3 and gave the team a chance in 2, 4 and 5.

He shat the bed in Game 6, but Markstrom failed the Canucks in one of their games in the Wild series and the team in front of him bailed him out.

I have some worries about Talbot's age but I'm not sure there are many better options out there.

Markstrom will not sign here. Canucks have two young superstars, a beautiful City (important for the wife) and also one of the best goalie coaches in the game. There is no way he picks Calgary over Vancouver.

Lehner is interesting, but knowing Vegas, I bet they sign him long term.

Other than that, there isn't much else out there.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

While overall I agree, I don't think goaltending was the issue. Our team D fell apart and our top offense was built around a house of cards.

Bringing back Talbot on a favourable contract and spending the money elsewhere to overhaul the team makes sense to me. If Markstrom signs for $7M is that money worth it over Talbot at $3.5 or $4M?

Yeah I really do think it is worth it.

Hell, I’d ship off Rittich and pay Markstrom $7M and Talbot $4M. That would take goaltending depth from poor to elite. Regular season split, and then Markstrom takes over in the playoffs.

...that said, without getting a #1 centre there’s no reason do it so meh. The days of going with these cheap, weak tandems have to end.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

They can't risk filling 4 defensive spots via free agency, there will have to be a trade with a defender coming back, and that defender can't cost the moon either.

David Savard is a quality RD who doesn’t have a huge cap hit (4.25). Ryan Murray is also an option (4.6). However, both are only signed for one more year. The Blue Jackets make sense in a lot of ways as a trade partner.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah I really do think it is worth it.

Hell, I’d ship off Rittich and pay Markstrom $7M and Talbot $4M. That would take goaltending depth from poor to elite. Regular season split, and then Markstrom takes over in the playoffs.

...that said, without getting a #1 centre there’s no reason do it so meh. The days of going with these cheap, weak tandems have to end.

If you're paying your goalies a combined $11M, good luck.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

If you're paying your goalies a combined $11M, good luck.

Boston spends 9.75M on their duo.
Vegas spends 8.4M (Lehner has salary retained)
Rangers spent 10.2 on three goalies
St. Louis spends 8.75M
Tampa will be spending 10.8M next year

Your goalie position should cost you somewhere around 10M a season if you want to compete. I wouldn’t really spend $4M on Talbot, but $3-3.5M? Yeah I’m cool with it. The cost of winning.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

David Savard is a quality RD who doesn’t have a huge cap hit (4.25). Ryan Murray is also an option (4.6). However, both are only signed for one more year. The Blue Jackets make sense in a lot of ways as a trade partner.

I agree, i made a post somewhere else about a deal for one of their goalies and one of their defenders, one stop shopping, plugging two holes with one trade.

Maybe combine that with a separate deal where calgary adds to Monahan to get a better or different centre has them thinking they can re-tool this baby.

I think if you really blew this thing up in terms of future assets you could probably manufacture one last kick at the can. Monahan + 1st round pick or Monahan + Hanifin for some upstart centre.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boston spends 9.75M on their duo.
Vegas spends 8.4M (Lehner has salary retained)
Rangers spent 10.2 on three goalies
St. Louis spends 8.75M
Tampa will be spending 10.8M next year

Your goalie position should cost you somewhere around 10M a season if you want to compete.

Boston makes up for it with the incredible value they saved on their top players.

Vegas is a bad example because they had they were gifted a dominant team. You can sure as hell bet they're regretting Fleury's extension.

Rangers were swept in the play-ins and are salivating thinking about the day Lundqvist's contract expires next year.

No one has confidence in St. Louis' goalies. Binnington fell back down to earth after his crazy run last year and no one has confidence in Allen. They have fantastic depth and an incredible blue-line. You can sure as hell bet they'd be more than happy to part with one of their goalies to be able to re-sign Pietrangelo, who's likely to walk this summer.

Tampa has always had the amazing advantage of being able to get their players signed for cheap because of their location and income-tax. There's no wonder why they're able to have that much tied up in goalies, yet they're still gonna lose a very valuable player or two this summer.

Goalies are voodoo. You're praying to the hockey gods that they don't get injured or have a whirlwind season

[ComixZone]

Well, you don’t win a Stanley Cup without getting elite goaltending and outside of Binnington exploding onto the scene last year, all the recent Cup winners have elite goalies on their roster or a prospect that turns into an elite goalie while they’re young.

Cheaping-out on middling veteran goalies is a guaranteed way to not win a championship. This “goalies are voodoo” stuff is just because they’re hard to develop. You need elite goalies to win the Cup. Don’t have them? Well, you better be actively working on getting at least one.

Best path to do is drafting and developing those goalies - but this organization can’t seem to do it at all, so that sucks.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boston spends 9.75M on their duo.
Vegas spends 8.4M (Lehner has salary retained)
Rangers spent 10.2 on three goalies
St. Louis spends 8.75M
Tampa will be spending 10.8M next year

Your goalie position should cost you somewhere around 10M a season if you want to compete. I wouldn’t really spend $4M on Talbot, but $3-3.5M? Yeah I’m cool with it. The cost of winning.

These are quite possibly the worst examples for justifying why you should spend $10M+ on a tandem.

Colorado and Tampa are two of the best teams right now, both spend less than $5M on their tandem. Tampa is going to have a much harder time competing when Vas’s extension kicks in.

There’s no rule about what you need to spend to be competitive, but spending low helps more than spending high, especially in the above examples where the highest paid guy in the tandem isn’t even the starter.

[home_sweet_dome]

Everyone's focused on acquiring a goalie thru free agency this offseason but don't forget there is the Seattle expansion draft upcoming next year where teams can only protect 1 goalie.

Will there even be a season next year?? Personally i doubt it as the NHL being a gate driven league would require fans in the stands or players willing to drastically take less $$ to make it work.

So if a season doesn't happen next year there would be a ton of goalie options via trade before the Flames hit the ice again in the fall of 2021.