2016 NHL Draft

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bottom 6 truculence. Burke likes skill in his top 6.

And skill + size/strength/toughness is still ideal for the top 6 as well. You don't think they'd prefer a big, strong skilled player vs a small, weak, skilled player even in the top 6?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bottom 6 truculence. Burke likes skill in his top 6.

Brown is a 6-6, likely 235-240 lb center with good speed and good playmaking ability. His shot is okay, in the same manner that Colborne's is okay. If he hits the upper limit of his potential he'd be a 15-20 goal 50 assist type guy like a Thornton lite.

He will create a lot of space for his linemates. If you put him on a line with say Bennett and Shinkaruk, that would work pretty well both from a physicality perspective and a skill perspective. We would still need a #1 RW, but that's doable in other ways (trade/ufa)

[Calgary4LIfe]

I actually am amazed at how quickly Brown gets his shots off from around the net. I think he is actually better than Tkachuk at scoring goals from in-tight, but Tkachuk is way better at making room in front of the net and getting tips/rebounds (the 'dirty greasy goals'). Just my opinion, and it is from not watching enough of Brown I admit, but from what I did see I really think is really good in that area.

Also, after today's firing and the resultant media availabilities, it is safe to say that the purely undersized/low physicality type players are ranked lower on the Flames' list. Keller and Nylander are probably not anywhere close to the #6 spot I would guess. Has to be Brown, Chychrun, maybe Sergachev... I would bet that the Flames will try and move up to take Jones or Gauthier too later in the round.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Brown is a 6-6, likely 235-240 lb center with good speed and good playmaking ability. His shot is okay, in the same manner that Colborne's is okay. If he hits the upper limit of his potential he'd be a 15-20 goal 50 assist type guy like a Thornton lite.

He will create a lot of space for his linemates. If you put him on a line with say Bennett and Shinkaruk, that would work pretty well both from a physicality perspective and a skill perspective. We would still need a #1 RW, but that's doable in other ways (trade/ufa)

Everything i've read suggests he has a great shot. His upside really excites me because he can skate, shoot, and battles hard. If he hits his potential he could be an unreal add but he could also turn into another Colborne which scares me too. He seems like a high-risk high-reward pick

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

Everything i've read suggests he has a great shot. His upside really excites me because he can skate, shoot, and battles hard. If he hits his potential he could be an unreal add but he could also turn into another Colborne which scares me too. He seems like a high-risk high-reward pick

I don't want to turn the draft thread into a Colborne pissing match, but this comment makes me laugh because maybe you don't realize that in JC's first three full NHL seasons he's gone from 0.35 to 0.44 to 0.60 points per game while playing all three forward positions, battling injuries and with no significant increase in ice time.

Yeah, I'm sure we will hope for more out of a 6th overall pick, but Colborne doesn't get the credit he deserves around here IMO, and if we can get a player that puts up about 20 goals and roughly 50~ points in his third year as an NHLer I don't think we can complain too loudly.

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't want to turn the draft thread into a Colborne pissing match, but this comment makes me laugh because maybe you don't realize that in JC's first three full NHL seasons he's gone from 0.35 to 0.44 to 0.60 points per game while playing all three forward positions, battling injuries and with no significant increase in ice time.

Yeah, I'm sure we will hope for more out of a 6th overall pick, but Colborne doesn't get the credit he deserves around here IMO, and if we can get a player that puts up about 20 goals and roughly 50~ points in his third year as an NHLer I don't think we can complain too loudly.

Yeah but I would hope that we get lucky and get as good a player as Monahan was at 6

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't want to turn the draft thread into a Colborne pissing match, but this comment makes me laugh because maybe you don't realize that in JC's first three full NHL seasons he's gone from 0.35 to 0.44 to 0.60 points per game while playing all three forward positions, battling injuries and with no significant increase in ice time.

Yeah, I'm sure we will hope for more out of a 6th overall pick, but Colborne doesn't get the credit he deserves around here IMO, and if we can get a player that puts up about 20 goals and roughly 50~ points in his third year as an NHLer I don't think we can complain too loudly.

Plus bigger guys typically take longer because they have to figure out how to use themselves properly at the NHL level and that takes time.

Brown has more higher end potential because he's both bigger, faster, and has a bit more talent overall. If he turned out to be only Colborne 2.0, that would be a bit disappointing, but it's not like Colborne is terrible. He's a quality middle six player.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't want to turn the draft thread into a Colborne pissing match, but this comment makes me laugh because maybe you don't realize that in JC's first three full NHL seasons he's gone from 0.35 to 0.44 to 0.60 points per game while playing all three forward positions, battling injuries and with no significant increase in ice time.

Yeah, I'm sure we will hope for more out of a 6th overall pick, but Colborne doesn't get the credit he deserves around here IMO, and if we can get a player that puts up about 20 goals and roughly 50~ points in his third year as an NHLer I don't think we can complain too loudly.

I don't disagree that colborne has improved as a player but if you could do the draft over again, would you pick him at 6th? I would hope for a player with higher potential than a 3rd line center.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Yeah but I would hope that we get lucky and get as good a player as Monahan was at 6

And he very well could be. Brown has a good eye for making passes. He has a lot of tools, similar to Monahan, none of them is truly elite, but they are all pretty good. It depends largely on how skilled he is in utilizing his skills. Monahan's hockey IQ is his best skill and he has been able to maximize his skills, translating that into back to back 60+ point seasons. If Brown's hockey IQ is similarly good, then he could be very dangerous at the NHL level.

[hockey.modern]

Any new speculations as to what the Canucks want to do with their pick? D or F?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Any new speculations as to what the Canucks want to do with their pick? D or F?

I think they go BPA because they really need everything everywhere.

Brown may make sense for them also because his father Jeff played for them in the 90's.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Any new speculations as to what the Canucks want to do with their pick? D or F?

I don't know if it is new speculation or not, but the last I heard is that they will more than likely draft whomever falls to them out of Dubois or Tkachuk. Benning called them both first line players, while insinuating that the defencemen available might only be #2 rather than true #1 types. It carried the notion that they were more likely to go the forward route, though I am sure more will start coming out soon.

[mile]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Any new speculations as to what the Canucks want to do with their pick? D or F?

When Benning did an interview on TSN radio post-lottery, it sounded like he didn't see any of Chychrun, Juolevi, or Sergachev having #1 defenseman potential (that they were closer to being #2 guys) and that they wouldn't use the pick on them, preferring Tkachuk or Dubois who have top-line winger potential. He also liked Brown but I don't know if he's a serious consideration for them at 5.

I believe he also said he hasn't had his final meeting with scouts, so maybe things change.

If I had to guess right now I think the top 5 forwards will go top 5. Dubois to Edmonton (gross), leaving Tkachuk to Vancouver (gross).

I'm also looking for any news that might give us hints as to what Edmonton and Vancouver want to do. Reminds me tracking the top 4 teams leading up to the 2014 draft.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Any new speculations as to what the Canucks want to do with their pick? D or F?

apparently Benning was on tsn 1040 yesterday saying essentially that he's taking either PLD or Tkachuk.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

And he very well could be. Brown has a good eye for making passes. He has a lot of tools, similar to Monahan, none of them is truly elite, but they are all pretty good. It depends largely on how skilled he is in utilizing his skills. Monahan's hockey IQ is his best skill and he has been able to maximize his skills, translating that into back to back 60+ point seasons. If Brown's hockey IQ is similarly good, then he could be very dangerous at the NHL level.

OHL production:

[Ashasx]

Monahan also played on the worst team in the CHL.

[nik-]

man, we really did kind of get screwed after having to endure that crap season

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

apparently Benning was on tsn 1040 yesterday saying essentially that he's taking either PLD or Tkachuk.

Yep, essentially saying this but stopping just short of crossing off a D-man. Left it a little ambiguous, but it does seem it is going to be Dubois or Tkachuk.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

apparently Benning was on tsn 1040 yesterday saying essentially that he's taking either PLD or Tkachuk.

That's not really what he said

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-10...inted-1.482137

Judge for yourself but this is what I took out of it
-Calls Dubois a real good player, can play any style of game. Hard, fast, skilled.
-Benning did bring up Tkachuk out of nowhere, called him a #1 LW
-Said there was a couple defensemen in that group too
-he's not sure the guy at #5 can step in right away
-He's not sure there's a "true #1 d-men" in this draft but Benning says there are only 8-10 "true #1 d-men" in the entire league
-He said the defense group has 1st pairing guys, they could be a nice #2

Then basically the interviewer suggests it's more realistic to draft Tkachuk/Dubois, basically puts those words in Benning's mouth. Benning didn't say that, just agreed with them.

Considering that interviews as of a week or two ago had him saying they'd prioritize a d-man outside of their top 4 players, I don't think anybody should be ruling out them taking a d-man.

Tkachuk may be #4 on their list. And they may take a d-man if Tkachuk isn't there. That's my guess based on the last few Benning interviews. I think the conclusion that some fans have reached that they'll definitely take a forward is a flawed conclusion based on those interviews but you can judge for yourself.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

OHL production:

I'd take Monahan as a prospect easily over any of Dubois/Tkachuk/Brown/Nylander. They are different types of players, with Brown being more of a Tanguay/Thornton playmaker type, where Monahan is a shooter first but can do other things.