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Vinny01 · 11-13-2015, 09:54 AM

It would be an interesting poll so maybe someone should start it.

Knowing what we know now if we could do it all over again do you not sign Gio to that contract and trade him at the deadline to the highest bidder or do you believe in the captain and that he will bounce back and continue to lead this team from rebuilding to contending

MikeMc · 11-13-2015, 09:54 AM

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Funny what less than 20 or so below average games does for some people's perception

Yep. Fair weather fans see you 'round the way.

Phanuthier · 11-13-2015, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

It would be an interesting poll so maybe someone should start it.

Knowing what we know now if we could do it all over again do you not sign Gio to that contract and trade him at the deadline to the highest bidder or do you believe in the captain and that he will bounce back and continue to lead this team from rebuilding to contending

Call me naive, I would still probably sign him and keep him. It'll probably come back to bite us in the ass in a few years, but I really think he is a dressing room glue guy that is part of bringing us to the next level.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-13-2015, 10:05 AM

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Given Gio's contract, I honestly think we'd have trouble giving him away.

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Funny what less than 20 or so below average games does for some people's perception

It's the nature of that big contract more than anything. Even if Gio was playing well you'd still be hard pressed to find a taker for him. Not a lot of teams wanting to take on six and a half million dollar contract to a 38 year old. He needs to find his game.

Ashasx · 11-13-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's the nature of that big contract more than anything. Even if Gio was playing well you'd still be hard pressed to find a taker for him. Not a lot of teams wanting to take on six and a half million dollar contract to a 38 year old. He needs to find his game.

The concern for me is whether it's injuries, rust, or just general decline that is hampering his game right now.

Either way, they are not positive signs for someone who will be 33 before his contract even starts.

bubbsy · 11-13-2015, 10:11 AM

i think the team overachieved by a great deal last year, and it was unfair to assume that the results this year would be greater than or equal to that.

In the great balancing acts of the universe, the team is underacheiving by a great deal this year around.

I think it's safe to say this is year 3 of the rebuild. Winning NOW shouldn't be of greatest priority, but that this team is expected to be at the very least competing for the playoffs regularly starting in the next season or so.

I'd like to see the management looking at the trade deadline in this fashion. I'm assuming the team has dug a deep enough hole that they aren't really going to be making a push for the playoffs this year, we need to explore the assets that can be attained by moving guys like Hudler, Russel, Jones, Stajan. It would be nice to be able to move out guys like wideman, ramo, hiller, engelland, smid, but i just don't see them easy to move out. Also need to look at guys like backlund, colborne and determine if they make sense for the club's direction or if they bring more value to the make of up the team thru their trade value.

giordano looks like a shadow of the player we have watched for the last 2 seasons. the duration of the contract was alarming, but it is imperative that he be an elite player for at least the first years of the contract. If this is injury related and he isn't able to get back into form, flames could have a problem from a cap structure perspective.

Ozy_Flame · 11-13-2015, 10:12 AM

Don't forget that Wideman has an NMC. Treliving would have to get around that too.

The Original FFIV · 11-13-2015, 10:37 AM

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Don't forget that Wideman has an NMC. Treliving would have to get around that too.

Exactly. Would he waive to go to Columbus? Probably not. But would he waive to go to Pittsburgh? Probably. Which could be a possibility per the below and Pittsburgh is a win now franchise that may be a realistic destination, provided we can make the money work (probably invokes Perron coming the other way and some salary retention)

@NicholsOnHockey: Dreger: #Pens will land top-4 D by deadline. But would another playoff failure lead to Malkin's name on trade front? https://t.co/GuDOEZz8FT

Erick Estrada · 11-13-2015, 10:40 AM

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Given Gio's contract, I honestly think we'd have trouble giving him away.

Not true at all. The Avs are playing poorly so does that mean they will have trouble giving Duchene away? Most teams will look at the Flames and conclude that he's a victim of a team that's just not playing well or getting good goaltending. I do believe the window on him having solid value is small so the trade would have to be made before the deal kicks in (not sure if his new deal has a no movement clause). It's going to be a salary for salary deal so the Flames will have to take on another contract but as long as it's a younger player that fits where the organization is headed I think it's a deal that can be made as he was in the Norris discussion last season and guys like that don't become available often.

Ashasx · 11-13-2015, 10:42 AM

Duchene also isn't 32 years old and signed for the next 7 years.

His upside is real. Giordano's probably isn't at this point.

Erick Estrada · 11-13-2015, 10:44 AM

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i think the team overachieved by a great deal last year, and it was unfair to assume that the results this year would be greater than or equal to that.

I think many of us realized that some sort of regression was possible but this team is Oilers bad right now and in a lot of ways the team is worse than the one I expected last year to be in the McDavid sweepstakes. Fundamentally it's just a bad team and pretty soon you have to look at coaching as if the teams are taking away the things that the Flames did well last season the coaching staff needs to adapt.

Erick Estrada · 11-13-2015, 10:46 AM

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Duchene also isn't 32 years old and signed for the next 7 years.

His upside is real. Giordano's probably isn't at this point.

The fact that teams apparently have interest in Russell is telling that teams are pretty desperate for defenseman that can play. What's funny is that prior to Gio signing that deal everyone was saying he would get $8 million/season if he went UFA. Now less than two months into the season he's worth nothing signed to $6 million? I simply don't buy it as a team in win now mode will be willing to accept the risk of the back end of the deal if it results in a Stanley Cup much like the Kinds with the Richards deal.

sureLoss · 11-13-2015, 10:58 AM

Dreger reporting teams are calling Boston about Malcolm Subban

http://www.tsn.ca/dreger-report-more...mours-1.393191

Harry Lime · 11-13-2015, 11:36 AM

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Dreger reporting teams are calling Boston about Malcolm Subban

http://www.tsn.ca/dreger-report-more...mours-1.393191

If Malcolm is anything like his brother, he would at the very least be 'good in the room', and be a positive and energizing influence, even if he maxes out as a backup.

Calgary4LIfe · 11-13-2015, 11:51 AM

Treliving is only dealing from a position of weakness if he is still trying to do the proverbial 'shake-up' trade.

Once he decides that the playoffs are realistically out of reach, then he suddenly is in a position of strength and can just wait out any moves until he gets at least fair-market value (whatever that may be) or greater if the market heats up.

Last year's success was FANTASTIC. Unfortunately set the bar extremely high for his year. Let's not make the same mistake that Sutter did in '04 and start caving into the pressure of winning. Last year, this team was very much in a rebuild, though it was obscured by the success. This season thus far has been a glaring reminder that the rebuild isn't over.

Just hold off on the trade front until other teams start dealing from a position of weakness. Injuries will happen. Hopefully a couple of trades happen leading up to an 'arms race' in one of the other divisions. Other GMs start feeling some heat and try to keep their teams in the playoffs and safeguarding their own jobs.

Treliving just needs to wait it out I think. Seems he is doing exactly that. It is nice to see that he still hasn't lost his focus for the long-term.

MrMastodonFarm · 11-13-2015, 11:52 AM

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The fact that teams apparently have interest in Russell is telling that teams are pretty desperate for defenseman that can play. What's funny is that prior to Gio signing that deal everyone was saying he would get $8 million/season if he went UFA. Now less than two months into the season he's worth nothing signed to $6 million? I simply don't buy it as a team in win now mode will be willing to accept the risk of the back end of the deal if it results in a Stanley Cup much like the Kinds with the Richards deal.

I'd imagine the length of the contract would be the stumbling block.

OutOfTheCube · 11-13-2015, 12:51 PM

Avs thinking of trading Duchene? Why? How many good young players do they want to jettison?

Will Mackinnon be on the block next season?

FlamesAddiction · 11-13-2015, 12:58 PM

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If Malcolm is anything like his brother, he would at the very least be 'good in the room', and be a positive and energizing influence, even if he maxes out as a backup.

He's a good prospect, but with Gillies and MacDonald in the wings, I wouldn't sell the farm to get him.

Erick Estrada · 11-13-2015, 01:15 PM

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I'd imagine the length of the contract would be the stumbling block.

He would have got that length from some team if he was a free agent. Gio is struggling but lets not sell him short. Sekera at 29 was considered the top UFA defender last season and he got six years and IMO he's not even a top pairing defenseman on his best day. Gio would have got his money and term easily.

dammage79 · 11-13-2015, 01:21 PM

I don't think there's a good time or bad time to make trades. Sometimes making a trade isn't about maxing out value but to shock the system.

At this point I'm on not sure I want max value so much as I'd like Treliving to send a fracking wake up call to some of these guys. If all you get is a bag of pucks, who cares. Selling off a vet for nothing more than cap space isn't a bad idea.

I'd still try to get a goalie somewhere.