Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[dammage79]

Honestly have not seen or bothered too much to look up McNeil so I cannot really tell if there are any similarities to Monahan.

I just see Lindholm having the ability to find that extra gear that will push him over the top in terms of clutch play. Monahan looks to be cool as a cucumber which is not a bad thing but it does give me pause when thinking if he does have that extra push to elevate his game to the next level. That being said. It's a big win if the Flames get either player.

[dammage79]

nvm

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by browna

Hypothetical fantasy for the draft, and probably covered somewhere in the months of talk in this thread, but a refresher for those more in the know (and for those, like me, that can't tell and haven't followed 19-20 year old kids) and be able to make much a of a prediction on how they will turn out:

But, if the Flames somehow win the lottery tomorrow, do you, and if you do, what do you offer Florida or Tampa for the 2nd or 3rd pick? And take MacKinnon and Drouin in that scenario?

The other two first rounders obviously...but what else?

If you look at the precedents set by previous deals for top 3 picks I don't actually think that you would need much more than 2 first rounders. Check out the deals Burke pulled off for the Sedins when he was in Vancouver & Pronger in Hartford. Perhaps the value of picks has sky-rocketed since then, & we obviously dont have a Gandolf-level trade wizard like Burke at the helm, but IMO Feaster has all the tools he needs going into this draft to make some waves.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by browna

Hypothetical fantasy for the draft, and probably covered somewhere in the months of talk in this thread, but a refresher for those more in the know (and for those, like me, that can't tell and haven't followed 19-20 year old kids and be able to make much a of a prediction on how they will turn out):

But, if the Flames somehow win the lottery tomorrow, do you try and get the 2nd or 3rd pick?

If you do, what do you offer Florida or Tampa for the 2nd or 3rd pick? And take MacKinnon and Drouin in that scenario?

The other two first rounders obviously...but what else?

Baertschi or Brodie, plus likely more. Prohibitive.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by nik-

Baertschi or Brodie, plus likely more. Prohibitive.

Total conjecture – no offence intended.

[nik-]

Obviously it's conjecture, none of know.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Monahan started the season as a lock to be a top 5 pick. Hockey IQ, face offs & team play are his main strengths. Could very well be NHL ready. I would love a prospect like that.

I too like Lindholm. And Barkov.
And Nurse. And Nichushkin. I even like Hunter Shinkaruk. I also love chatting about it on CP. Cannot stand it when people pick fights over nothing.

How does Monahan compare to Jordan Staal? I keep hearing comparisons between the two at draft day. Their draft position is likely to be a little different, but I forget what people thought of the '06 draft in terms of top 5 strength. '13 is certainly a bit of an exception.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by kirant

How does Monahan compare to Jordan Staal? I keep hearing comparisons between the two at draft day. Their draft position is likely to be a little different, but I forget what people thought of the '06 draft in terms of top 5 strength. '13 is certainly a bit of an exception.

Commandant compares him to Eric Staal in this report: http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/...yer-profile-6/

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by keenan87

My opinion is wrong, so how about we make a contract where if Monahan gets more NHL points, you get $5000 dollars and if McNeill gets more career points, you get $500. Obviously, my opinion is wrong so the odds are stacked on your side and some easy cash for you.

Deal. So I get $5000 if I'm right and $500 if I'm wrong? Sounds pretty sweet to me.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Cannot stand it when people pick fights over nothing.

Yet you jump on people for sharing their thoughts or asking questions about specific players. Something isn't right there.

I'll admit that I haven't seen much of any of the players except for world juniors and some YouTube clips. Not great scouting tools. I do tend to recognize certain trends in hype about players and they concern me. The hype on Monahan is reminiscent of the hype Scott Glennie got in his draft year. Interestingly enough they are slated to go in the same range. I'm not going to say that Monahan is going to be a Scott Glennie - he has to prove that himself - but I am seeing the hype train building to where this kid is going to have trouble living up to expectations.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Deal. So I get $5000 if I'm right and $500 if I'm wrong? Sounds pretty sweet to me.

Have to love win-win bets!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

I've always wondered. How does Monahan compare to Daniel Tkaczuk. Canadian kid, safe bet to be good, similar sizeish. Not that we can draw anything from the comparison but I just thought that Monahan seemed similar just reading about him.

Tkaczuk was 6'0 when drafted so Monahan has the size advantage. I think Monahan's skating looks better to me. I think Monahan has a higher ceiling than Tkaczuk did and that this draft year is much deeper than '97.

[Rapidfire999]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Deal. So I get $5000 if I'm right and $500 if I'm wrong? Sounds pretty sweet to me.

Haha what a "dumb" bet

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yet you jump on people for sharing their thoughts or asking questions about specific players. Something isn't right there.

Sharing opinions is fine. Making things personal & attacking certain posters consistently is exceptionally annoying, troll-like behaviour.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Commandant compares him to Eric Staal in this report: http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/...yer-profile-6/

Sounds like the two big Staal forwards are the common comparisons. The third most frequent mention is Toews.

I'd be ecstatic if the Flames drafted him and he became like any of those players.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'll admit that I haven't seen much of any of the players except for world juniors and some YouTube clips. Not great scouting tools. I do tend to recognize certain trends in hype about players and they concern me. The hype on Monahan is reminiscent of the hype Scott Glennie got in his draft year. Interestingly enough they are slated to go in the same range. I'm not going to say that Monahan is going to be a Scott Glennie - he has to prove that himself - but I am seeing the hype train building to where this kid is going to have trouble living up to expectations.

I don't really follow your comparison.

Before the season Monahan was viewed as a top 3 guy http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=405743

Glennie wasn't hyped nearly as much before his draft year and his hype grew all season but especially during the WHL playoffs IIRC.

Monahan's been thought of as a top prospect for more than just this year.

So how exactly is the hype similar? I don't see similarities in the hype. And obviously with Glennie being a winger I don't really see similarities in the type of player either.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Rapidfire999

Haha what a "dumb" bet

I just have a feeling that this would turn out to be a bad deal.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

I've always wondered. How does Monahan compare to Daniel Tkaczuk. Canadian kid, safe bet to be good, similar sizeish. Not that we can draw anything from the comparison but I just thought that Monahan seemed similar just reading about him.

Despite the gloom about Daniel Tkaczuk he was a good pick at the time as nobody can predict a serious head injury. Biggest problem back then was the medical science of concussions wasn't good at all.If it happened today he probably would have had a nice career.

And had the flames taken Hossa with the 6th pick everyone would have wanted Coates's head on a platter.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don't really follow your comparison.

I'm not comparing players, I'm comparing the hype around the players. For some reason Glennie was hyped as being a great player and a sure fire NHL player, much like Monahan is today. There are always certain guys that get too much hype built up around them in every draft. Happens like clock work. I just think Monahan might be one of those guys. I don't know why, but I just don't buy the hype. Maybe it was him getting cut by Team Canada. Maybe it's the lack of success of his team. Maybe it's his hair cut. I don't know why but I just don't think this guy is as good as his press clippings. He is a guy that is going to have to prove he's a player after he's drafted in my opinion.

Haven't you ever seen a player that you think is not the sum of his parts or is way over rated? There has to be several players a draft that make you wonder, and then other guys that you think aren't getting enough press?

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'm not comparing players, I'm comparing the hype around the players. For some reason Glennie was hyped as being a great player and a sure fire NHL player, much like Monahan is today. There are always certain guys that get too much hype built up around them in every draft.

I think there's some fundamental difference between the two though. As FDW said, Monahan has been projected as a top 10 pick in this draft for the last two years.. Glennie had a massive draft year (which isn't a knock on him).

I havent' seen much of Monahan but just reading scouting reports you constantly see Hockey IQ and Intangibles thrown around. I remember Glennie in Brandon and he was a speed demon that used that to generate a bunch of his offence. Those kind of players making the jump can always be risky as you don't know if that physical gift will be enough to succeed at the next level. Glennie also had a top 5 pick in Schenn on that roster too.

Monahan could bust but I guess I just don't see the Glennie or McNeil (McNeil was a kid that was physically mature and used that to dominate at the junior level) comparisons. I don't care if a kid is Canadian, American or European.. but i do find it amusing how Canadian kids that have the 'two-way' tag attached to their play have almost become devalued compared to some of the flashier Europeans we've seen over the years.