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Originally Posted by blankall
Starting to get frustrated. The Flames should be making a concerted effort to get McKenna (or at least a top 3 pick). This, more than any other move, will affect the future of the franchise, including its profitability.
Retain on Kadri. Just move him. He's the last player on the team that can change the course of a game consistently. Move Coleman too. The return isn't as important as the tank.
There's a good chance Vancouver takes Vehoeff anyways.
It's possible that Roy was the backup plan for Colorado, and there's already a deal in place for Kadri with someone else or an offer they won't match....Well I doubt the offer thing after seeing what they paid for Roy.
Anyways, just move Kadri. He's already won several games in the last few months, even if he's inconsistent. Draft position is the only thing that matters this year.
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Originally Posted by blankall
We're not talking pennies on the dollar. We're talking about the difference between a late first and a slightly lesser asset.
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This is probably fair.
Scorp and I were having this discussion a bit last night about how as fans we probably over rotate on what's a good trade vs a bad trade, as the margins are quite slim in the difference of return.
I know personally that I over rotate on those things.
Even just looking at the history of the trades Conroy has made, and especially some of the ones that were maybe not as critically acclaimed.
I'd say the Lindholm, Andersson, and Markstrom trades were clear wins, but let's look at the other major ones in Conroy's tenure.
Toffoli for Sharangovich + 3rd: At the time this felt like an underwhelming return, but really the pick was probably one round lite. If's it's Sharangovich + 2nd then it's looked at more favorably - but is the difference between a 2nd and 3rd something to be that concerned about - not really.
I think there is the argument that Suniev is very similar prospect to who the Devils took with their second rounder that year (Lenni Hameenaho)
Zadorov for 2026 3rd, and 2024 5th - I remember at the time I think mosted would have expected something similar to what Tyler Myers trade (2nd + 4th) so once again it's just one round lower than you'd want. But now in the big scheme the pick will be 64th OV anyway so it's exactly the same as a late 2nd.
Once again nothing to lose sleep over.
Tanev: Flames got a 2nd + Grushnikov and that felt really light. It's probably the biggest example of feeling like the Flames couldn't get value - especially with double retention on Tanev - but once again the pick was just one round too light. Nobody questions the return if it's a 1st + Grushnikov.
Hanifin: 1st + Miromanov + 3rd. Again the trade value felt light at the time, but really a 1st + 2nd is probably close to what's expected for a rental d-man, especially that season.
So if the 3rd becomes a 2nd then this trade gets looked at more favorably...and really it was unfortunate that the Knights didn't win a round to trigger that condition.
But once again not a huge delta in what the Flames got that was underwhelming vs what they got that would have been considered a win.
Even the Weegar trade yesterday - if you replace the NYR 2nd rounder with the UTAH 1st rounder...I'd probably look at the overall package a lot more favourably.
But really is the difference between pick 19 and pick 34 really that important to lose sleep over...not really.
The biggest thing the Flames can do right now is finish 1st or 2nd last (tough to out suck Vancouver) to guarantee themselves a bottom 4 pick. Ignoring the lottery for a second but the difference between 2nd and 5th is the equivalent of a mid 1st round pick (17th OV). So anything you can do to really improve your draft position and lock in a top 2-3 pick is actually worth more than worrying about getting an extra pick in the Kadri or Coleman deals.
