Will the rubes at his Victory Tour ever admit that they've been had?
Nope. Right now they are having too much fun laughing at how scared the "liberals" are. Then they will tell themselves that Trump needs more time to deliver on his promises and after that they find someone else to blame...
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So Trump is going to give his big victory speech about saving all these Carrier jobs from going to Mexico tomorrow. Only...he's ignoring that 1300 jobs are still leaving the country, despite the 1000 that are remaining. Also, Indiana manufacturers have been offshoring jobs for years, while getting taxpayer-funded incentives under Mike Pence's watch.
And the only reason Carrier is keeping jobs here is for the PR and because of yet more taxpayer-funded incentives to the tune of 700k/year.
So Trump is going to give his big victory speech about saving all these Carrier jobs from going to Mexico tomorrow. Only...he's ignoring that 1300 jobs are still leaving the country, despite the 1000 that are remaining. Also, Indiana manufacturers have been offshoring jobs for years, while getting taxpayer-funded incentives under Mike Pence's watch.
And the only reason Carrier is keeping jobs here is for the PR and because of yet more taxpayer-funded incentives to the tune of 700k/year.
This just keeps getting worse and worse. Literally everyone loses with Trump winning this election, outside of probably Trump and his buddies.
You're faulting him for saving 1000 jobs because he couldn't save them all? Would you be happier all 2300 jobs were leaving? How is that a loss? That's a big a win.
Christ, there's no right answer with anti-Trump people is there? He'd be scorned if all the jobs left, he's scorned for saving them. Rational thought has gone out the window for many. No wonder the world is so divided
You're faulting him for saving 1000 jobs because he couldn't save them all? Would you be happier all 2300 jobs were leaving? How is that a loss? That's a big a win.
Christ, there's no right answer with anti-Trump people is there? He'd be scorned if all the jobs left, he's scorned for saving them. Rational thought has gone out the window for many. No wonder the world is so divided
He's claiming a huge win, when it's only half a win, and he's not talking about the huge incentives he had to promise the company to keep said jobs. Which, again, was money taken from taxpayer funds. So taxpayers are paying to keep those jobs in the US.
Also he's not bringing up that his VP was responsible for giving grants and incentives to companies in his own state that were offshoring jobs, which is why he's now having to give them even more incentives to not offshore said jobs.
To be clear, one of my main issues with this is him trotting himself out on stage as if he's a major hero, like this is a victory tour, when he's leaving out a whole mountain of context behind these "saved" jobs. It's the same ridiculous arrogance he's shown all along, at some point I'd like to see some actual presidential qualities in this guy.
He's claiming a huge win, when it's only half a win, and he's not talking about the huge incentives he had to promise the company to keep said jobs. Which, again, was money taken from taxpayer funds. So taxpayers are paying to keep those jobs in the US.
Also he's not bringing up that his VP was responsible for giving grants and incentives to companies in his own state that were offshoring jobs, which is why he's now having to give them even more incentives to not offshore said jobs.
To be clear, one of my main issues with this is him trotting himself out on stage as if he's a major hero, like this is a victory tour, when he's leaving out a whole mountain of context behind these "saved" jobs. It's the same ridiculous arrogance he's shown all along, at some point I'd like to see some actual presidential qualities in this guy.
TL;DR He saved 1000 jobs and is taking credit for it to show the American people he will be an effective leader. What a pompus Drumpf, how dare he.
Christ, if he sat around not doing anything, not saving 1000 jobs, he'd be criticized as well.
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I agree that steps like this are just a drop in the bucket and are largely corporate welfare. But at the same time, the GOP campaign ads for 2018 and 2020 write themselves. Trump can show clips from the debates where he said he'd keep Carrier jobs from going to Mexico then have some workers thank him for saving their job. Apparently Fox News is already doing that. The ads Obama ran against Romney for closing factories were powerful because of the basic, easy to understand message -- not because voters were running a full cost-benefit analysis of the impact of private equity firms on the US economy. Actions like the Carrier deal are far more valuable to the political fortunes of Trumpism than they are to the economy of Indiana or the country as a whole.
The working class has been steadily going downhill. Unless a presidential candidate from the party that has held the highest office for the past eight years does a great job of communicating that he or she is on their side, their bias will be to blame the candidate from the incumbent party. Clinton's personal conduct and campaign strategy made it pretty easy for even someone with Trump's lack of working class cred to win the contest for support from the working class.
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Christ, if he sat around not doing anything, not saving 1000 jobs, he'd be criticized as well.
Losing 1300 jobs is not Making America Great Again. Tremendous fail. I hear a lot of people, many people, saying these jobs could have been saved. Terrible.
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Good for those 1,000 people who get to keep their jobs, obviously it's a good thing, but let's give credit where credit is due—to the taxpayers of Indiana and the United States. They are the ones who are doing the real work here, because they are going to be paying for it.
Now whether or not that's a good thing or a bad thing is open for debate, I suppose, but we all know Carrier is not keeping those jobs there out of the goodness of their hearts, and "details of the deal are still unclear".
Losing 1300 jobs is not Making America Great Again. Tremendous fail. I hear a lot of people, many people, saying these jobs could have been saved. Terrible.
I believe you meant to say "total disaster".
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I believe you meant to say "total disaster".
Good point - I talked to an internet guy, he knows the internet, he corrected me. Job loss is total disaster. Worse than terrible. We're going to subsidize those jobs, we're going to take money from Obamacare and put that money where it belongs: in the pockets of America's giant corporations.
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Losing 1300 jobs is not Making America Great Again. Tremendous fail. I hear a lot of people, many people, saying these jobs could have been saved. Terrible.
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I believe you meant to say "total disaster".
Sad!
I bet the 1300 jobs went to Chyna! Not under my watch, not a chance
Saving 1000 jobs is nice, though as the White House pointed out Obama's time has added 800,000+ manufacturing jobs, if we're going to measure positives. Or the what, 15 million jobs created total.. That's a lot more than 1000 per day, and that's comparing saved jobs to new jobs. EDIT: Or the million+ jobs saved by the auto industry bailout, which wasn't a gift like the Carrier deal but was mostly paid back.
The organization in Indiana (that Pence chairs) that does these kind of deals said they'd already offered Carrier something to save jobs, so one wonders if Carrier's owning company having huge government contracts had anything to do with Carrier changing their minds. EDIT: Plus this only works because Pence is still Governor of Indiana, Trump doesn't have any direct authority.
Trump campaigned harshly against this exact kind of corporate welfare, but I bet tomorrow at his rally he'll crow about it and the crowd will cheer just as loud as when they cheered him railing against corporate welfare.
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