2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Weitz]

Everyone in the league now knows the Flames are in a position of weakness. I think any sort of deal they make probably would be a slight over payment.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Everyone in the league now knows the Flames are in a position of weakness. I think any sort of deal they make probably would be a slight over payment.

Except trades to sell players for picks and/or prospects, I agree. Just say no to 'hockey trades', Brad.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Everyone in the league now knows the Flames are in a position of weakness. I think any sort of deal they make probably would be a slight over payment.

Exactly, that's why making moves now would be silly. Wait til the deadline or near to see how things are unfolding with teams in or near playoff positions. Start shopping guys so scouts can get out and multiple offers can come in.

[Samonadreau]

Best case scenario with Hudler Wideman and Russell is we can get some picks in return this year and either stocknup at the draft or package a few off for something else.

They are not going to have much value because they are either overpayed (Wideman) or in the last year of their contracts. Their value has also dropped significantly since last year.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hudler, Wideman and Russell's value, along with many others are going to have a ton of value at the trade deadline, no?!

Russell also is still the NHL shot blocking leader, is decent in his own end and always a threat offensively.

Wideman is a great pickup for teams looking to bolster their PP.

Hudler should be in high demand to round out a top 6.

Wouldn't surprise me if Hudler was able to garner a later 1st rounder and maybe a B prospect on too.

Would think Russell could pull in a decent prospect or potentially a 2nd and 3rd.

Wideman, well... Who knows but I think there will be interest.

Does treliving wait it out?

Also, if we are looking for a starting goalie to carry the franchise long term, please stop saying Ward.. He could be a short term solution but he is not the goalie of the future..

I think we can't bank on gms overpaying for rentals as they have in the past. We got burned by Cammalleri in 2014 and I can see a similar pattern developing.

Toronto has stockpiled a bunch of to be ufas and I can see that having a depressive effect on the value of our ufas. Supply will exceed demand and with more and more teams seeing the value of building through the draft, those picks are going to be harder and harder to shake loose.

So you set a price for these players and if you can't get it, you have to determine if you are comfortable re-signing them, lower your asking price or let them walk for nothing.

[Reign of Fire]

When did we turn fickle like Canucks fans, so a young team started of slow and you guys want to trade everybody. A 21 year goalie is struggling, the guy is still young, wasn't Kipper 27 when got traded to the Flames. We don't know what we have with Ortio yet. I say move some of the vets at the deadline, get some assets back and continue to load a young team. And everyone just relax.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I think we can't bank on gms overpaying for rentals as they have in the past. We got burned by Cammalleri in 2014 and I can see a similar pattern developing.

Toronto has stockpiled a bunch of to be ufas and I can see that having a depressive effect on the value of our ufas. Supply will exceed demand and with more and more teams seeing the value of building through the draft, those picks are going to be harder and harder to shake loose.

So you set a price for these players and if you can't get it, you have to determine if you are comfortable re-signing them, lower your asking price or let them walk for nothing.

Good points, maybe be boat load of talent available this year.

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

When did we turn fickle like Canucks fans, so a young team started of slow and you guys want to trade everybody. A 21 year goalie is struggling, the guy is still young, wasn't Kipper 27 when got traded to the Flames. We don't know what we have with Ortio yet. I say move some of the vets at the deadline, get some assets back and continue to load a young team. And everyone just relax.

I don't think anyone is being fickle. It's a reality and people are being realistic in realizing that we are still in the middle of a rebuild, not a perennial playoff contender yet. So keep building by acquiring assets that fit the team demographic.
Also not lose players for nothing as ufa's. And not hold onto guys that aren't part of the long term plan.

Short-sightedness would be the biggest mistake treliving could make. Here's hoping he doesn't try and salvage something that isn't.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

Duchene for Hamilton - not a trade I can see happening for many reasons but seems close value and needs wise for both organizations

I don't see how this addresses Calgarys needs. The Flames need a stud Dman that is in that 18-23 age range and got one in Hamilton. He is far from hitting his prime but outside of Brodie he is all we have for young D. Wotherspoon sure isn't developing like we hoped. Kylington and Anderson are far from sure things. The same can be said for Culkin and Kulak.

Meanwhile up front the Flames have Monahan and Bennett already playing like top 6 NHL centers at 21 and 19 years of age. They also have Jankowski, Granlund, and Arnold who are in a similar boat as the D prospects I mentioned above.

Duchene would be a perfect add if the Flames can do it without trading Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Brodie, or Hamilton. I know people will say if you don't move one of them you don't get Duchene. Those would be the same people that said the same thing about Dougie.

The Flames are likely in on Duchene because that is the nature of our GM. The Avs likely want to move him east as that makes the most sense. The Avs also have been horrible at trading under Sakic/Roy so you never know what is going to happen.

My offer would be Backlund, Russell, Porier, Culkin.

This gives the Avs a much needed possession driving defensive centre that slots in behind Mackinnon and Soderberg and signed to decent third line money for 2 more years after this and is 26. The get a top 4 D on an expiring deal they can test drive for a few months and decide if they want to keep him or flip him for assets at the deadline and is 28 years old. They get a 20 year old former first round pick who was an AHL all star as a rookie with top 6 upside. And lastly get a 21 year old offensive Dman who played for Roy in junior and the coach is familiar with him. Also has NHL upside.

The Avs likely get better offers but I don't think that offer is too far off considering Duchene is not the most consistent performer over his career

[FBI]

Gio for Duchene?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by FBI

Gio for Duchene?

At the risk of igniting a s***storm and being a hypocrite for what I said just a few posts ago in this very thread.....


I like this deal.

[Ashasx]

Given Gio's contract, I honestly think we'd have trouble giving him away.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Given Gio's contract, I honestly think we'd have trouble giving him away.

Funny what less than 20 or so below average games does for some people's perception

[Inglewood Jack]

the Flames are emotionally tied to Gio the way they were to Iggy for too long. no matter how bad value his contract turns out, it will never be dealt with from a pure business perspective. every team has at least one of these, so we'll just have to suck it up.

but yes, I'd vote for the Gio/Duchene swap.

[adc]

Gio for Duchene is more realistic than the poo poo platter offers but doubt that happens from an Avs perspective.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

the Flames are emotionally tied to Gio the way they were to Iggy for too long. no matter how bad value his contract turns out, it will never be dealt with from a pure business perspective. every team has at least one of these, so we'll just have to suck it up.

but yes, I'd vote for the Gio/Duchene swap.

I don't think the emotional connection is anywhere near the level of the Iggy connection was. Iggy after all is/will be a legend of the game. Gio is just a really good d-man currently and will never be counted among the games greats.

I think the general consensus on this board during the summer was that if Gio is digging in on contract talks, trade him. CP didn't have an overly unusual attachment to him like we did for Iggy.

[SuperMatt18]

The wrong time to be moving a d-man IMO.

No d-men look good when every mistake they make ends up in the back of their own net. The defense has not been good as last year, but goaltending is just magnifying it at this point.

The 5v5 on-ice save percentage for our Top 6 this year:

Giordano: .862
Russell: .867
Brodie: .868
Wideman: .869
Hamilton: .900
Engelland: .950

Almost correlates directly to those saying Engelland looks so much better this year, and how much worse Gio, Russell, Brodie, and Wideman are looking this year (For D-Men they are have the 3rd, 4th, 6th, & 7th lowest on ice save percentage in the league this year.

Compare that to last year for our top 6:

Engelland: .910
Diaz: .920
Giordano: .925
Wideman: .926
Russell: .929
Brodie: .931

To put that in perspective only 5 players that played greater then 60 games last year had an on ice save percentage of lower than .900 last year, with the lowest being .887. The Flames are all at least .020 below that level.

Even in 13/14 when we had 40 games of Berra and MacDonald the lowest on ice save percentage on our team was .896 for Wideman.

They need to hope goaltending improves and then hopefully that at least improves Wideman and Russell's counting stats to the point where they have some value at the trade deadline because if this goaltending continues then nobody on this team will have any value.

[bubbsy]

not suggesting a trade rumour, but didn't know where else to put this..

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

#CBJ D Ryan Murray will be a healthy scratch tonight vs #Pens

good on the new coach for letting folks know everyone is fair game to be called out, but he definitely won't be making many friends wiht the young cornerstone franchise guys in BJ-ville

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

the Flames are emotionally tied to Gio the way they were to Iggy for too long. no matter how bad value his contract turns out, it will never be dealt with from a pure business perspective. every team has at least one of these, so we'll just have to suck it up.

but yes, I'd vote for the Gio/Duchene swap.

I really hope not. Nothing against Gio, but he is not Iginla and most likely not going be a first ballot hall of famer like Iginla will be. The emotional tie to a player of Iggy's level is at least understandable.

My concern all along with Gio is that people started looking at him at the elite replacement captain that Iginla always was, and he simply might not be that caliber of player. He's probably just a very good player who had 1 - 1.5 years of elite play, and will have stretches of very good play in whatever is left in his career.

Let's face it, we were spoiled to have a modern era legend as our captain for years on end...and yes, we hung on too long with Iggy. But it also seems like people have expected Gio to become the same type of player -- has he ever really been that kind of player? This wasn't a guy that came in and starting playing elite hockey at 22. Gio's has not been an elite player for most of his career.

Obviously I'd love to be wrong but I am concerned the Flames bet too heavily on Gio being that type of guy. My prediction has been that it will only be 2-3 years before Gio is replaced by one of the younger guys as captain and leader of the team anyways.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Personally the wrong time to be moving a d-man IMO.

No d-men look good when every mistake they make ends up in the back of their own net. The defense has not been good as last year, but goaltending is just magnifying it at this point.

The 5v5 on-ice save percentage for our Top 6 this year:

Giordano: .862
Russell: .867
Brodie: .868
Wideman: .869
Hamilton: .900
Engelland: .950

Almost correlates directly to those saying Engelland looks so much better this year, and how much worse Gio, Russell, Brodie, and Wideman are looking this year (For D-Men they are have the 3rd, 4th, 6th, & 7th lowest on ice save percentage in the league this year.

Compare that to last year for our top 6:

Engelland: .910
Diaz: .920
Giordano: .925
Wideman: .926
Russell: .929
Brodie: .931

The need to hope goaltending improves and then hopefully that at least improves Wideman and Russell's counting stats to the point where they have some value at the trade deadline.

Flames have $26.15M tied up in 7 Dmen this year and $28.88 tied up in 6 of those guys next year. They also have $8.9 tied up in goaltending this year. At least with the goalies all are free agents next summer with the cheapest being a RFA. That blueline needs to be changed and the only 3 that should be kept are the obvious big 3

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames have $26.15M tied up in 7 Dmen this year and $28.88 tied up in 6 of those guys next year. They also have $8.9 tied up in goaltending this year. At least with the goalies all are free agents next summer with the cheapest being a RFA. That blueline needs to be changed and the only 3 that should be kept are the obvious big 3

Oh I agree but I wouldn't make the trades right now. The defense has been bad but a lot of it is also just bad goaltending.

You keep Brodie, Hamilton, Gio, and Engelland.

Smid, Wideman, and Russell should be shopped but this issue is they have no value now so trading them is pointless.

Hope the goaltending improves and the team turns it around a little, then move them out once they can actually garner some return.