Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Comparing Monahan to McNiel is absolutely stupid.

Stats in junior:

McNiel: 0.88 PPG average

Monahan: 1.09 PPG average.

Monahan is an elite face-off man with lethal scoring ability and elite hockey sense. He is in every way better than McNiel and the Flames would be very lucky to have him in the Flaming C. I would take Lindholm to but anyone with a brain can see that Monahan won't turn out to be like McNiel.

Dude, take a chill pill that's just my opinion. I realize I might be wrong and I acknowledged that in my post, however, you need to take that stick out of your ass.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

One vote for Lindholm here. Nothing against Monahan.

I don't know who I'd prefer, they both have impressive credentials. If the draft goes as predicted I can see only having one of the two available when our turn comes. The good news is that if picking 6th, we should have a chance at one of the best centres in this draft.

[GoFlamesGo1989]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Who would you rather have on your team CP? Monahan or Lindholm?

Monahan for sure. Him and Barkov are the only two legit #1 centers. The others project too be wingers. Lindholm has played on Calle Jankrok wing all year. Even Mackinnon projects to be a winger.

I will be over the moon if Monahan ends up a Flame.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't think Lindholm's contract status means anything as Sweden has an agreement with the NHL, so our contracts take precedence not like the KHL.

Right, but under the terms of the new transfer agreement between Sweden's Ice Hockey Federation and the NHL, Lindholm doesn't have to sign an NHL contract until he is 22 before the drafting team loses his rights.

The kid probably planned on his contract ending after next season cause that is when he plans on coming to NA.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Dude, take a chill pill that's just my opinion. I realize I might be wrong and I acknowledged that in my post, however, you need to take that stick out of your ass.

LOL! i wasn't freaking out. I was disagreeing with your opinion and i'm sure 99% of this board would too. What exactly did i say in that post that seemed like a freak out?

[nik-]

I don't share your view of Lindholm SureLoss ... he couldn't be a 4th liner, but I think in a "bust" scenario he could be a defensively responsible 3rd line center with some offensive threat.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

LOL i wasn't freaking out. I just said that i thought your opinion was dumb which i'm sure 99% of this board would agree with. What exactly did i say in that post that seemed like a freak out?

The guy right after me who posted said he had the same feeling as me. You are telling me my opinion is dumb?!? What are you, 10?

There is a difference between being polite and disagreeing and being a complete ###### you were, grow up

[Roof-Daddy]

I honestly haven't seen any of these prospects play enough (or at all in some cases), nor am I anything close to capable of evaluating/projecting young hockey players.

I also haven't met or talked to any of these prospects, their families, their coaches, billets, etc, etc......so I don't know what their personalities are like, or what kind of character they may or may not have.


So I'm not even going to pretend to know who the Flames should be taking with their picks, and I am certainly not going to take a "bullish" type stand against, or for, any particular player, and I also won't be "flipping my lid" come draft day when selections are made by the Flames.

I just hope the Flames scouting staff and management know what they are doing, and hit some home runs in this draft, particularly with the three first rounders, should they decide to keep the picks.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Comparing Monahan to McNeill IS stupid. Not similar players at all. They don't have similar upside, similar skating, similar skill, etc. Bad comparison or "feeling".

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Comparing Monahan to McNeill IS stupid. Not similar players at all. They don't have similar upside, similar skating, similar skill, etc. Bad comparison or "feeling".

The comparison may be stupid, but just how many times have you seen Monahan to make that judgment? Seems you have access to the exact same resources everyone else has access to, so what makes your judgment better than others? I don't know how you can claim someone's opinion is wrong when all you are doing is posting your opinion based on similar information? It wouldn't be the first time some high scoring player on a crappy team ended up being a washout. Having said that, Monahan could be the greatest thing since Gretzky. He'll have to prove that after he's drafted though.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Comparing Monahan to McNeill IS stupid. Not similar players at all. They don't have similar upside, similar skating, similar skill, etc. Bad comparison or "feeling".

I'm not even sure it's fair to call McNeill a bust yet.

But the truth is, even if this is a deep draft, some of these players will still be busts. It's anyone's guess as to who they will be at this point.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Right, but under the terms of the new transfer agreement between Sweden's Ice Hockey Federation and the NHL, Lindholm doesn't have to sign an NHL contract until he is 22 before the drafting team loses his rights.

The kid probably planned on his contract ending after next season cause that is when he plans on coming to NA.

Right, we can afford to be patient with the 6th pick. Giving him another year or two of development should be expected while any of the first 4 may be able to step right in with their NHL team.

That extra two years to sign Euros takes away some of the players bargaining power such as we ran into with Tom as well.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

The comparison may be stupid, but just how many times have you seen Monahan to make that judgment? Seems you have access to the exact same resources everyone else has access to, so what makes your judgment better than others? I don't know how you can claim someone's opinion is wrong when all you are doing is posting your opinion based on similar information? It wouldn't be the first time some high scoring player on a crappy team ended up being a washout. Having said that, Monahan could be the greatest thing since Gretzky. He'll have to prove that after he's drafted though.

One full game of Monahan plus highlights. Probably 4-6 viewings of McNeill.

Someone's opinion can be wrong. Especially when it is not based on information at all but instead a nebulous gut feeling. I could have a gut feeling that E. Staal is like Sami Pahlsson and I'd be dead wrong. Not sure why you are jumping to the defence of this poster and his terrible comparison based on nothing more than a feeling.

Does anybody who has seen both Monahan and McNeill think they are comparable or similar? I'd be shocked because they clearly are quite different prospects with dramatically different ceilings.

[Dorkmaster]

I've always wondered. How does Monahan compare to Daniel Tkaczuk. Canadian kid, safe bet to be good, similar sizeish. Not that we can draw anything from the comparison but I just thought that Monahan seemed similar just reading about him.

[blazingZepplin]

After reading many pages of this thread i came to the conclusion that i will base the success of the draft base on the reactions of some of he posters here. I remember when we drafted jankowski, the prospects we got from the bouwmeester and iginla trade, some people kust cant be pleased. I myself dont know anything about the kids that are going to be drafted but i will honestly react the same way the majority of this fine message board will react come draft day.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

One full game of Monahan plus highlights. Probably 4-6 viewings of McNeill.

Someone's opinion can be wrong. Especially when it is not based on information at all but instead a nebulous gut feeling. I could have a gut feeling that E. Staal is like Sami Pahlsson and I'd be dead wrong. Not sure why you are jumping to the defence of this poster and his terrible comparison based on nothing more than a feeling.

Does anybody who has seen both Monahan and McNeill think they are comparable or similar? I'd be shocked because they clearly are quite different prospects with dramatically different ceilings.

Buddy, who cares? It's a friggen message board where people post their opinions. This isn't work or school where we are getting marked based on our answers.

You might be right, congratulations! Are you happy now? is Monahan your brother/son?

They are both centres, big bodies, similar point totals in Junior, a lot of people thought McNeill was going to be very good as well and from the limited time I have watched both players, they seemed similar to me.

As for opinion, there is a difference between comparing two players already in the league and two players who haven't played an NHL game. Are you willing to bet on this? My opinion is wrong, so how about we make a contract where if Monahan gets more NHL points, i get $5000 dollars and if McNeill gets more career points, you get $500. Obviously, my opinion is wrong so the odds are stacked on your side and some easy cash for you.

[PlayfulGenius]

I've only recently started really paying attention to the draft...and I learned my lesson right away as I was very disappointed when they picked Sven...so now, I just wait to see what happens and immediately sing the praises of whomever gets chosen

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I just have that gut feeling that Monahan is going to be a bust.. I may be completely wrong.

Kind of reminds me of Mark McNeill

I have similar feelings, except he reminds me of Scheifele. I know it's only been 2 years, but I don't except much.

Lindholm > Monahan

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

One full game of Monahan plus highlights. Probably 4-6 viewings of McNeill.

Someone's opinion can be wrong. Especially when it is not based on information at all but instead a nebulous gut feeling. I could have a gut feeling that E. Staal is like Sami Pahlsson and I'd be dead wrong. Not sure why you are jumping to the defence of this poster and his terrible comparison based on nothing more than a feeling.

Does anybody who has seen both Monahan and McNeill think they are comparable or similar? I'd be shocked because they clearly are quite different prospects with dramatically different ceilings.

The only similarities are:

- Over 6'2"
- Canadian
- Centre
- Surname beginning with M
- mock drafts that place him vaguely in the range of the Flames' pick

If there is a prospect that reminds me of Mark McNeil in the 1st round this year it is Frederick Gauthier. People drool over the size, but there are fears you could be drafting a career 4th liner. Same thing happened with Brendan Gaunce last year.

Monahan started the season as a lock to be a top 5 pick. Hockey IQ, face offs & team play are his main strengths. Could very well be NHL ready. I would love a prospect like that.

I too like Lindholm. And Barkov.
And Nurse. And Nichushkin. I even like Hunter Shinkaruk. I also love chatting about it on CP. Cannot stand it when people pick fights over nothing.

[browna]

Hypothetical fantasy for the draft, and probably covered somewhere in the months of talk in this thread, but a refresher for those more in the know (and for those, like me, that can't tell and haven't followed 19-20 year old kids and be able to make much a of a prediction on how they will turn out):

But, if the Flames somehow win the lottery tomorrow, do you try and get the 2nd or 3rd pick?

If you do, what do you offer Florida or Tampa for the 2nd or 3rd pick? And take MacKinnon and Drouin in that scenario?

The other two first rounders obviously...but what else?