Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

He had no ammunition.

Yes. So what was the reasoning to carry the gun around?

Intimidation?

Prevention?

Look cool?

In any case, none of the reasons support the absurd logic that he should have the right to carry it around in public like he was doing. Except for 'Merica!

I'm all about personal defense, but at one point you need to take a step back and look at how ridiculous the gun laws in that country are where you can have people carrying weapons like that down the street in a contentious area no less.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Here's an even better idea. And it's crazy, but hear me out.

DON'T CARRY THAT GUN AROUND LIKE A JACKASS.

I getcha, I don't care what the guy does. Like it or not he was exercising a constitutional right. He didn't do anything wrong in an open carry state. I'm just saying expecting him to go all Frank Castle mid firefight is what's crazy.

Edit: you want to crap all over gun crazy America? Fill your boots, I'm no fan of the gun culture here anyway. It's scary as hell.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I getcha, I don't care what the guy does. Like it or not he was exercising a constitutional right. He didn't do anything wrong in an open carry state. I'm just saying expecting him to go all Frank Castle mid firefight is what's crazy.

I explicitly said I did not expect that.

I'm just saying there was no point for him having the gun. He recognized it didn't provide protection, it did the opposite.

I realize what he did was completely legal. I'm just saying it's stupid that it is.

[taco.vidal]

The discussion in this thread is predominantly about US not Canada.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

He had no ammunition.

Another Darwin Award recipient.

[2Stonedbirds]

The man who was open carrying his rifle, and his brother had an interview with Don Lemon on CNN yesterday and he said that he indeed had charged magazines but no round chambered.

So yes he had ammo.

[hwy19man]

Online argument about race relations may have led to shooting, reports say.
http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Onli...386356241.html

[hwy19man]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

All I kept thinking after Dallas, and the guy with the AR-15 who ended up being completely innocent--you never know who is a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun until he starts shooting.

And really--if trained officers can't handle a madman with a weapon, what makes a random Joe off the street think he's a good enough marksman to pull it off?

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

The guy with the AR-15 also ruined the argument that it provides protection.

Protest gets open-fired on. The first thing that the hero with the AR-15 does? Throws it away so he doesn't become a target.

I mean, it was a reasonable decision (as much as reasonable can be attributed to someone walking around with that type of weapon) and I understand the decision. I'm not expecting him to be a hero and get involved in a gunfight and risk his life. But when he recognized the threat, his immediate reaction was realizing that the gun he had strapped to him made him a target, exact opposite of the protection it was suppose to provide.

Originally Posted by ResAlien

"The police killed two men today, one they could confirm was the suspect and shooter. He was killed with a bomb detonating explosive. The other man killed was a black male armed with an assault rifle who joined the firefight in what is now believed to have been an attempt to help police. Police were unaware of this fact and fired upon the man as he fit the description of the suspect. A public apology has been issued to his family."

Yeah, definitely should have started shooting.

Texas-open-carry-laws-blurred-lines-between-suspects-and-marchers

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/us...pgtype=article

[hwy19man]

Gunman opens fire on crowd at candlelight vigil in West Baltimore
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...711-story.html

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes. So what was the reasoning to carry the gun around?

Intimidation?

Prevention?

Look cool?

In any case, none of the reasons support the absurd logic that he should have the right to carry it around in public like he was doing. Except for 'Merica!

I'm all about personal defense, but at one point you need to take a step back and look at how ridiculous the gun laws in that country are where you can have people carrying weapons like that down the street in a contentious area no less.

In his brother's words (the organizer of the event) he was exercising his right.

All I was saying is that having a gun with no ammo doesn't really leave a decision in the gun owner's hands with regard to fight or flight in that situation.

I'll bet he doesn't carry like that in the future.

I'm not a proponent of open carry. I think it's way more dangerous than conceal carry.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

The man who was open carrying his rifle, and his brother had an interview with Don Lemon on CNN yesterday and he said that he indeed had charged magazines but no round chambered.

So yes he had ammo.

Interesting. His brother very clearly stated that he did not have ammunition the night of the shootings.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Interesting. His brother very clearly stated that he did not have ammunition the night of the shootings.

Probably was lying because his brother's picture was plastered all over national news and Twitter, and he thought that maybe, just maybe, it might stop someone from taking a potshot at him.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by peter12

Probably was lying because his brother's picture was plastered all over national news and Twitter, and he thought that maybe, just maybe, it might stop someone from taking a potshot at him.

Well, at the point of the interview he knew his brother was safe. At least I think he did. I could be wrong.

[DuffMan]

I was briefly watching CNN I think this morning and they showed a clip of 3 guys sitting in a car smoking weed, the one guy was recording themselves on a phone, and then all of sudden, they are shot dead with about 40 gun shots.
US is really starting to remind me of a Middle Eastern country.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I was briefly watching CNN I think this morning and they showed a clip of 3 guys sitting in a car smoking weed, the one guy was recording themselves on a phone, and then all of sudden, they are shot dead with about 40 gun shots.
US is really starting to remind me of a Middle Eastern country.

Was it something in the US? The Phillipines new president has called for every person to kill drug dealers and addicts. And the population is doing so.

edit: I see it was in the States now. The world is pretty much messed up.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by ernie

Was it something in the US? The Phillipines new president has called for every person to kill drug dealers and addicts. And the population is doing so.

edit: I see it was in the States now. The world is pretty much messed up.

Holy crap, genocide on drug users, that's crazy.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Holy crap, genocide on drug users, that's crazy.

Yep. Police killed 110 suspects over the weekend and many bodies have been left on streets with notes attached saying they were drug dealers or addicts. Now they say that those non-police deaths will be investigated and should not be happening but when the president leading the way says things like this:

"To me, that is not enough. How many drug addicts or pushers are there in the Philippines? Our villages are almost saturated [with drugs]," Philippines Solicitor-General Jose Calida said of the killings Tuesday, Agence France-Press reported. "I am here to encourage the [police] not to be afraid of any congressional or senate investigations. We will defend them … I am the defender of the [police]."

"These sons of whores are destroying our children. I warn you, don’t go into that, even if you’re a policeman, because I will really kill you," Duterte said after being sworn in, the Guardian reported. "If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful."

Now I believe he would say it was directed at police but, well you know...

Now thousands have apparently turned themselves in because they fear for their lives but I wouldn't really call that a victory based on the methods.

http://www.ibtimes.com/philippines-d...s-dead-2391120

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/...gal-drugs.html

[peter12]

This is exactly what Mao did to clean up China's opium addiction problems. Horrifying.

[DuffMan]

Wow, Seen middle eastern countries have barbaric narcotics laws, even the Taliban cleaned up the opium trade in Afghanistan, with death penalties on those involved. But this sure opens the door for just killing someone you don't like and saying they were smoking weed or something.
I saw a show on Vice I think about the Phillipines, and how the local politicians are just the guys with the best armies, or personal guards as they called them. They travelled around in convoys armed to the rafters. Also showed how popular homemade guns were.

[T@T]

Some items not allowed at the Republican National Convention "Event Zone" in Cleveland next week.

Banned:

- Lightbulbs
- Padlocks
- Lazers
- Tennis balls
- Loud speakers
- Canned goods
- Water guns
- Backpacks
- Brass knuckles

Allowed:

- Guns

Total insanity.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politi...one/index.html