[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Pliddy

That is too much info for a thread about Jankowski. What did Treliving have for lunch today?.. Was it better than Feaster's lunch?

Gotta give this one to Feaster. We know for a fact that he is eating well. Although, maybe Brad had a perogy pizza.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

He's killing it in Stockton.

Knowing that he's a rookie makes me ecstatic. Will be a good, and FREE addition to the top 9 in october, if all things go well. If he needs a little more cooking in the A then that's fine too, can be a midseason call up.

I'll take my Jankowski al dente, can't let him boil too long, otherwise he becomes soggy and unpalatable.

[McG]

I know that CPers are down on guuar but I don't mind the different viewpoint at all. For sure some are from left field but I don't mind the contrarian viewpoints.

[Roof-Daddy]

Contrarian view points are one thing.

Acting like you have deep insider knowledge of pretty much every NHL teams front office and the deals they've had on the table, and using that made up knowledge to fuel your contrarian view point is a totally different thing.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by gunnner

Outside the box idea for next yr, how about Janko and Bennett play on the same line alternating games at center, play 40 games each. let them both keep developing at center and get third line minutes instead of 4th line.

Gaudreau- monahan- Ferland
T-B-F
Jank/Bennett - Bennet/Jank- Lazar or Versteeg
Bouma- Hamilton/Stajan- Hathaway/Chaisson

Yup Bennett and Janko on the same line and then Ferland there as well (then the prophecy can be complete)

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by FBI

Yup Bennett and Janko on the same line and then Ferland there as well (then the prophecy can be complete)

Could see it, particularly if we get enough of an upgrade on top line RW to bump Ferland back down.

Colborne also was moved to 3rd line winger instead of 4th line C (because Hartley didn't want to bury the guy's icetime due to having a lot of centres) so we may very well see the same with Janko. The only other option is to give him Tkachuk's spot, but I'm leery of splitting up that line.

[guuar]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Sorry but anybody who'd rather have Senyshen over Dougie Hamilton is a troll or lacks some sort of fundamental understanding about player values.

guuar makes it pretty quick to the ignore list. You have some "interesting" but laughable views on hockey. Nothing worthy of serious debate. He does remind a bit of Ricardo, that's for sure

No. I'd rather have the collection of players that Boston managed to snag as a result of trading both Lucic and Hamilton.

Zach Senyshyn is going to be playing 2nd/3rd line RW next year for the Bruins. That #15 pick that we surrendered could have been Senyshyn, Barzal, Connor, Boeser or even Ilya Samsonov.

A lot of uneducated people on CP that DO NOT understand that Boston made out like bandits from that 2015 NHL draft. All THREE 1st round picks they made that year are looking like impact players at the NHL level. Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshyn are all putting up great numbers. Ironically the 2nd round picks are all looking great as well.

Brandon Carlo is already a Top 4D and was only in his rookie season.

Dougie Hamilton is a very good #3D/#4D.

He is NEVER going to be the kind of defencemen who is going to be your #1. He is going to be the offensive D man who supports either your #1D or #3D.

You are absolutely BLIND if you do not realize he continually makes extremely poor defensive brain farts that cost us badly. If the poor defensive play weren't bad enough 2016-2017 he cost us 4 games by taking extremely stupid 3rd period penalties.

One of those 4 games was a playoff game against the Ducks. Subtract those 3 losses in the regular season and we are likely finishing 2nd or 3rd instead of 4th in the Pacific.

People talk about using corsi and advanced stats to tell us how good a player is. Taking bad penalties will quickly make lesser skilled defencemen better in terms of average wins above replacement player statistically speaking.

He needs to learn to position himself better to not put himself in a position where he is forced to take holding, hooking and interference penalties. His skating is a strength and there is no reason he should have more than 20 PIMs per season.

Fact is he is constantly out of position forcing himself to take bad penalties. Not to mention he has no control of his temper at all. This season in particular he took many hot headed penalties that weren't necessary at all.

So he certainly is a highly skilled D man. You are blind and ignorant if you think we absolutely robbed the bruins. They have extremely good prospect depth because of the 2015 and 2016 NHL drafts and are still pushing the playoffs just as the flames are.

Everyone is going to blame Elliot and rightfully so as he let in weak goals. Fact is guys like Hamilton taking bad penalties put us in that situation to lose in the first place.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'll take my Jankowski al dente, can't let him boil too long, otherwise he becomes soggy and unpalatable.

My suggestion is that we throw him against the metaphorical wall in Sept/Oct and see if he sticks.

[Roof-Daddy]

Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshyn are all putting up great numbers.

41 points in 50 games as a 20 year old in the CHL is not "great numbers", even for a Dman.

65 points in 59 games as a 20 year old in the CHL is not "great numbers"

Debrusk had a decent rookie year in the AHL though.

Those other two are not putting up "great numbers".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by guuar

A lot of uneducated people on CP that DO NOT understand that Boston made out like bandits from that 2015 NHL draft. All THREE 1st round picks they made that year are looking like impact players at the NHL level. Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshyn are all putting up great numbers. Ironically the 2nd round picks are all looking great as well.

Brandon Carlo is already a Top 4D and was only in his rookie season.

Dougie Hamilton is a very good #3D/#4D.

Carlo? Zboril? Debrusk?

What do these players have to do with Calgary... in any way?
Who f'n cares about Boston?

[kermitology]

Are you suggesting that Brandon Carlo was drafted with the Flames 2nd round pick traded for Hamilton? He wasn't. That was a pick from Philadelphia that was previously acquired from the Islanders.

[guuar]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

My suggestion is that we throw him against the metaphorical wall in Sept/Oct and see if he sticks.

He could easily play 1st line minutes and not look out of place. A line of;

Gaudreau - Jankowski - Ferland

would be every bit as good as;

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland

The problem is we don't know if Monahan can excel without Gaudreau. There isn't a single glaring weakness in his game No reason that he should be on the 2nd or 3rd line with Bennett next year. Ideally I want to see these lines.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Benett - Lazar
Jankowski - Backlund - Frolik
Bouma - Stajan - Chiasson

No point in going after a #1 RW at all. It's a waste. Oshie is looking like Brouwer 2.0. Unsustainably high shoot percentage on Washington.

We have 3 guys that can play RW and I think we need to see is Ferland can be a 20-25 goal guy on that 1st line and see if Lazar can find his offensive game. I truly think a Tkachuk Bennett and Lazar line as our 2nd line could be both a physical force and possibly score more goals than our 1st line.

Its imperative that our 3rd line be matched up against our opponents #1 line as much as possible next season.

All 3 players on a Jankowski Backlund Frolik line have the ability to play extremely great 200' 2 way game.

Signing a guy like TJ Oshie really does nothing for us but push our young guys down the line up. We need to give them an opportunity to play. No reason Lazar or Ferland can't score 20+ just like Oshie.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by guuar

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You are absolutely BLIND if you do not realize he continually makes extremely poor defensive brain farts that cost us badly. If the poor defensive play weren't bad enough 2016-2017 he cost us 4 games by taking extremely stupid 3rd period penalties.

One of those 4 games was a playoff game against the Ducks. Subtract those 3 losses in the regular season and we are likely finishing 2nd or 3rd instead of 4th in the Pacific.
...

interesting.

Did you account for Hamilton's 13 goals (5 of the GWG variety), & 50 points when putting together this solid trajectory/extrapolation of the flames fortunes had they rid themselves of hamilton???

Also, can you please take your solid analysis and explain how we should simply ignore the fact that the gio/hamilton pairing had some of the best advanced stats of any pairing in the league this season?

[burn_this_city]

Top 10 scoring defensemen are at best 3/4s?

[Freeway]

Uhhh, Hamilton was basically Calgary's #1 defenseman from about November onwards.

[Inglewood Jack]

Hamilton will be in the KHL within 2 seasons, book it. if you disagree you've obviously got your CP blinders on.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by guuar

A lot of uneducated people on CP that DO NOT understand that Boston made out like bandits from that 2015 NHL draft. All THREE 1st round picks they made that year are looking like impact players at the NHL level. Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshyn are all putting up great numbers. Ironically the 2nd round picks are all looking great as well.

Unsolicited advice but when you start calling folks uneducated just because they have a different view point, that's where you are going to find folks aren't too welcoming.

As an aside, I don't think they had a great firs tround. I think all 3 guys they picked were solid, but have question marks. I would say Zboril in particular isn't as highly regarded as he was when he was drafted.
My own opinion. Uneducated or educated I will leave to you to decide.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by guuar

######ED.

Edited the post for clarity.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by guuar

Zach Senyshyn is going to be playing 2nd/3rd line RW next year for the Bruins.

A guy who only barely broke a point per game in his draft + 2 season in junior is gonna be in the Bruins top 6?

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by guuar

He could easily play 1st line minutes and not look out of place. A line of;

Gaudreau - Jankowski - Ferland

would be every bit as good as;

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland

The problem is we don't know if Monahan can excel without Gaudreau. There isn't a single glaring weakness in his game No reason that he should be on the 2nd or 3rd line with Bennett next year. Ideally I want to see these lines.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Benett - Lazar
Jankowski - Backlund - Frolik
Bouma - Stajan - Chiasson

No point in going after a #1 RW at all. It's a waste. Oshie is looking like Brouwer 2.0. Unsustainably high shoot percentage on Washington.

We have 3 guys that can play RW and I think we need to see is Ferland can be a 20-25 goal guy on that 1st line and see if Lazar can find his offensive game. I truly think a Tkachuk Bennett and Lazar line as our 2nd line could be both a physical force and possibly score more goals than our 1st line.

Its imperative that our 3rd line be matched up against our opponents #1 line as much as possible next season.

All 3 players on a Jankowski Backlund Frolik line have the ability to play extremely great 200' 2 way game.

Signing a guy like TJ Oshie really does nothing for us but push our young guys down the line up. We need to give them an opportunity to play. No reason Lazar or Ferland can't score 20+ just like Oshie.

Who are you arguing with other than yourself?