Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The crown has rested their case.

Wow. Thats early isnt it? Was it expected around this time?

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s actually spot on, but I can see how you might be confused if you genuinely thought you and many other normal people were sexually assaulting their partners regularly.

Actually we are. If you kiss them good night and/or good morning while they're asleep. That's something new I learned today. Nice little trivia for the parties.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

So basically we see this crime demonstrated in many movies, tv shows etc.

I’ll never watch sleeping beauty the same way again!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Actually we are. If you kiss them good night and/or good morning while they're asleep. That's something new I learned today. Nice little trivia for the parties.

Only if they don’t feel it was consensual!

[TheIronMaiden]

How come Michael McLeod wont testify? should a defendant always have to testify?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

How come Michael McLeod wont testify? should a defendant always have to testify?

They never have to testify.

[OptimalTates]

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sj...ck/art11c.html

[taxbuster]

Big surprise…hockey bros line up to defend each other!

(Yes, it might be the truth….but there’s a part of me that is dubious.)

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Only if they don’t feel it was consensual!

The point is it can never be technically consensual if they’re asleep…ever, regardless of past practices.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Big surprise…hockey bros line up to defend each other!

(Yes, it might be the truth….but there’s a part of me that is dubious.)

It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not, the moment their names were exposed to the public, their reputation was forever tarnished.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by MBates

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The husband can make his conduct exactly the same...and if the wife responds with "leave me alone a**hole" because something that happened that day the husband knows nothing about then its a sexual assault and if accused he would have no defence on your stated facts.
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Does this not make it a strict liability offence? If you commit the act, it does not matter what your intent was; if the victim considers it an assault, then it is an assault. This cannot be the standard in a criminal case. Yet here we are. Has this element of the offence ever been tested? While I hear what you are saying and have not read JA yet, that can't be the state of the law if it can result in imprisonment. What am I missing?

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not, the moment their names were exposed to the public, their reputation was forever tarnished.

You don't think a team desperate for a goalie will sign Carter Hart if he's found not guilty? The rest aren't as valuable, but I wouldn't be shocked if Hart is given an opportunity to return at some point.

[Blaster86]

We just saw the architects of a rape cover-up get rehired in subsequent years. Like, people who were accused and it was confirmed they did the awful thing.


If you think talented individuals who are exonerated with a "Not Guilty" won't be back in the league you are dreaming of a better world than the one we live in.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

You don't think a team desperate for a goalie will sign Carter Hart if he's found not guilty? The rest aren't as valuable, but I wouldn't be shocked if Hart is given an opportunity to return at some point.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

We just saw the architects of a rape cover-up get rehired in subsequent years. Like, people who were accused and it was confirmed they did the awful thing.


If you think talented individuals who are exonerated with a "Not Guilty" won't be back in the league you are dreaming of a better world than the one we live in.

I didn't say they wont get jobs. I said that they will be labeled rapists for the remainder of their lives.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I didn't say they wont get jobs. I said that they will be labeled rapists for the remainder of their lives.

To which they can say "Court says no"

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

To which they can say "Court says no"

That would be a fun conversation to have with your sons first girlfriend. Or your mother in law, or if you need to change bank accounts, or if you get pulled over.

Right or wrong this will never stop impacting them.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

You don't think a team desperate for a goalie will sign Carter Hart if he's found not guilty? The rest aren't as valuable, but I wouldn't be shocked if Hart is given an opportunity to return at some point.

I doubt any of them get signed because none of them are that good.
And that's the sad reality. Teams will weigh how good the player is with the negative PR they will face. And none of these players are good enough for a team to take that risk.

The fact Hart isn't even playing now also won't help him.

Even if they are found not guilty, I think their NHL careers will remain over.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If you think talented individuals who are exonerated with a "Not Guilty" won't be back in the league you are dreaming of a better world than the one we live in.

If they're exonerated with a "Not Guilty", why shouldn't they be back in the league? If they're good enough to play, why should they be punished for something for which they were found "Not Guilty"?

Isn't that supposed to be the beauty of our justice system? Innocent unless proven guilty?

But I agree with what Jiri said. I think their careers are over even with a "Not Guilty" verdict and I - for one - don't think that's right.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

You don't think a team desperate for a goalie will sign Carter Hart if he's found not guilty? The rest aren't as valuable, but I wouldn't be shocked if Hart is given an opportunity to return at some point.

There isn't going to be any smoking gun that clears away all doubt of guilt so far a large number of people anyone signing Carter Hart will be the team happily signing rapists.

I mean if they're found not guilty, and he goes to the KHL for a few years, and still plays at an extremely high level then maybe once the issue isn't raw in peoples minds some really desperate team might take the still not insignificant public relations hit and do it... which is to say regardless of outcome these guys NHL careers are effectively over.

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

If they're exonerated with a "Not Guilty", why shouldn't they be back in the league? If they're good enough to play, why should they be punished for something for which they were found "Not Guilty"

Because being "Not Guilty" is different then being innocent. If they're found not guilty then the only thing they're entitled to not spending several years in a penitentiary. Innocent until proven guilty is just a legal principal. They could win in a Court of Justice and be considered guilty in the Court of Public Opinion. I mean... you don't actually think that OJ Simpson didn't murder Nicole right?

[troutman]

The Oilers seem to have no problem hiring toxic people. Indeed, it seems to part of their strategy to build a roster in a small Canadian market, with little cap space.