2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Flames should have $1.8M in space to start the season without any other moves and 22 players on the active roster

Capfriendly was showing that this accrues to roughly ~$5.6 million in cap space for use at the trade deadline if we are so inclined.

[dino7c]

I think this is what many people don't get...even the supposed experts in the media. You sign M. Stone and he ends up on the roster, somebody (who likely makes more) is going down to the AHL at least to start. You are not just adding 750k to your team salary.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think this is what many people don't get...even the supposed experts in the media. You sign M. Stone and he ends up on the roster, somebody (who likely makes more) is going down to the AHL at least to start. You are not just adding 750k to your team salary.

Yes, I am sure most people don't get that...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Yes, I am sure most people don't get that...

I said many not most...you don't have to look far to find people who think the Flames now have zero cap space and can't bring in Eichel even if they wanted to because they signed contracts that were basically a wash of what they were starting the season with anyway.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think this is what many people don't get...even the supposed experts in the media. You sign M. Stone and he ends up on the roster, somebody (who likely makes more) is going down to the AHL at least to start. You are not just adding 750k to your team salary.

So you're thinking we're waiving Gudbranson? Or that Mackey or Valimaki is playing in the AHL?

I am not sure what you're getting at here. Yes, Stone has a minimum NHL salary.

[Toonage]

In all likelihood yes Mackey will start in the AHL.

Gudbranson dresses as the 6D and Stone sits as the 7

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So you're thinking we're waiving Gudbranson? Or that Mackey or Valimaki is playing in the AHL?

I am not sure what you're getting at here. Yes, Stone has a minimum NHL salary.

People said the same about Richardson too...OMG the cap! If he isn't on the roster someone else is.

I am getting at the Flames don't need to do anything to be cap compliant and the recent signings have ZERO impact on Eichel.

Gudbranson adds around 1M to the cap...not make or break on other deals

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So you're thinking we're waiving Gudbranson? Or that Mackey or Valimaki is playing in the AHL?

I am not sure what you're getting at here. Yes, Stone has a minimum NHL salary.

I may be wrong but I have read that Mackey is not waiver eligible. Kylington seems on his way out already, so if he is taken then the Flames do not seem worried. Stone again if he is waived and taken is not a big issue. I'm not sure the cap is an issue as discussed above.



They have a lot of defenceman but I also wonder if the timing of the contract announcements and the upcoming training camp suggest that the off-season moves are done unless something falls into their lap.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People said the same about Richardson too...OMG the cap! If he isn't on the roster someone else is.

I am getting at the Flames don't need to do anything to be cap compliant and the recent signings have ZERO impact on Eichel.

Gudbranson adds around 1M to the cap...not make or break on other deals

I disagree. Every deal I was able to craft for Eichel that seemed within the realm of reason resulted in <1 million in cap space left. It's ok to close the door on that for now. May be possible at the deadline now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I disagree. Every deal I was able to craft for Eichel that seemed within the realm of reason resulted in <1 million in cap space left. It's ok to close the door on that for now. May be possible at the deadline now.

I wonder if a team could do a handshake deal for a deadline trade now, in which Buffalo agrees to the surgery, then the trade becomes official much later in the season, in order to make cap work.

Of course, Eichel would be on LTIR, so maybe that isn't even needed.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wonder if a team could do a handshake deal for a deadline trade now, in which Buffalo agrees to the surgery, then the trade becomes official much later in the season, in order to make cap work.

Of course, Eichel would be on LTIR, so maybe that isn't even needed.

IIRC you need to be cap compliant then you can put someone on LTIR. So the LTIR potential of Eichel is mitigated by needing to fit him under your cap prior to LTIRing him for savings. Please someone correct my wrong thinking on this if I am off base.

But I was thinking of a similar scenario with a handshake- I just can't rationalize it in my head. Too many moving pieces: Buffalo takes a risk they're largely unwilling to take by allowing Eichel to get the surgery with nothing certain, while the other pieces in the agreed to trade (e.g. Monahan) could wildly increase or decrease in value based on the progress of the season, making renegotiation post injury rehabilitation necessary.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

IIRC you need to be cap compliant then you can put someone on LTIR. So the LTIR potential of Eichel is mitigated by needing to fit him under your cap prior to LTIRing him for savings. Please someone correct my wrong thinking on this if I am off base.

But I was thinking of a similar scenario with a handshake- I just can't rationalize it in my head. Too many moving pieces: Buffalo takes a risk they're largely unwilling to take by allowing Eichel to get the surgery with nothing certain, while the other pieces in the agreed to trade (e.g. Monahan) could wildly increase or decrease in value based on the progress of the season, making renegotiation post injury rehabilitation necessary.

Sooooo trade players for Eichel, place on LTIR, have said players traded back.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wonder if a team could do a handshake deal for a deadline trade now, in which Buffalo agrees to the surgery, then the trade becomes official much later in the season, in order to make cap work.

Of course, Eichel would be on LTIR, so maybe that isn't even needed.

You could do it, but it wouldn't be enforecable, so either side could back out.

[robertsfanatic]

I'd like the Flames to get Reilly out of TO since they will be hard pressed to sign him without shedding a lot of salary after the season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Monahan - Coleman
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Ritchie

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadorov - Andersson
Valimaki - Gudbranson

Stone

Markstrom
Vladar

$1,800,000 cap space

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Monahan - Coleman
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Ritchie

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadorov - Andersson
Valimaki - Gudbranson

Stone

Markstrom
Vladar

$1,800,000 cap space

Jesus why when I look at this do I feel like we got older, slower and less exciting to watch?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I disagree. Every deal I was able to craft for Eichel that seemed within the realm of reason resulted in <1 million in cap space left. It's ok to close the door on that for now. May be possible at the deadline now.

With a 22 man roster right now the Flames have $1.8M in cap space.

Meaning that in order to make a Eichel trade work they need to shed $8.2M going back the other way, and then roll with a 21 man roster. That's still doable.

It was always going to take shedding one of Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk, and probably one of Dube/Valimaki to make the cap work in an Eichel trade.

They could still make it work with a combination of one of the big forwards, and one of the promising young guys moving.

Originally Posted by Royle9

Jesus why when I look at this do I feel like we got older, slower and less exciting to watch?

For better or worse this is Darryl Sutter hockey.

[868904]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

With a 22 man roster right now the Flames have $1.8M in cap space.

Meaning that in order to make a Eichel trade work they need to shed $8.2M going back the other way. That's still doable.

It was always going to take shedding one of Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk, and probably one of Dube/Valimaki to make the cap work in an Eichel trade.

They could still make it work with a combination of one of the big forwards, and one of the promising young guys moving.



For better or worse this is Darryl Sutter hockey.

I think the Eichel dream is dead. I also think Darryl likes it that way, he prefers being the underdog and being a workmanlike team. Having Eichel just doesn't seem to fit with him.

Having said that, if Tre were still pursuing Eichel, I think Monahan, Mangiapane and Valimaki are the pieces that would have to move out. Monahan to some other team for picks/prospects. Mangiapane and Valimaki plus picks/prospect for Eichel.

I think Mangiapane has to be the one to go out. He arguably has the highest value and he also needs a new contract next year. I don't think the Flames will be able to keep him next year plus give new contracts to Gaudreau and Tkachuk. I think Dube's new 3 year deal at a reasonable value will keep him here over Mangiapane.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think the Eichel dream is dead. I also think Darryl likes it that way, he prefers being the underdog and being a workmanlike team. Having Eichel just doesn't seem to fit with him.

Having said that, if Tre were still pursuing Eichel, I think Monahan, Mangiapane and Valimaki are the pieces that would have to move out. Monahan to some other team for picks/prospects. Mangiapane and Valimaki plus picks/prospect for Eichel.

I think Mangiapane has to be the one to go out. He arguably has the highest value and he also needs a new contract next year. I don't think the Flames will be able to keep him next year plus give new contracts to Gaudreau and Tkachuk. I think Dube's new 3 year deal at a reasonable value will keep him here over Mangiapane.

I'd rather have Mangi at $6M ~ than Tkachuk at $9M

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Monahan - Coleman
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Ritchie

Hanifin - Tanev
Zadorov - Andersson
Valimaki - Gudbranson

Stone

Markstrom
Vladar

$1,800,000 cap space

Well, the consolation prize for those wanting changes is next summer change is likely pushed upon management. Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Pitlick, Richardson, Lewis, Zadorov, Gubranson all need new contracts. That is like 44% of your above starting line up.