The Legend of Sam Bennett

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

The right move? Dude demanded a trade. Being mishandled horribly by management is what got it to that point. Giving the flames kudos for that is ridiculous. I bet Heineman and the other pick generate less than 100 nhl games combined. It was a disaster.

I'll be shocked if Heineman ever plays a single game for the Flames. Has the guy even commented on the trade since it happened?

[mile]

Heineman follows the Flames, Lindholm, Markstrom, Zary, Pelletier, and Phillips on IG. I hope that’s a good sign that he sees a future with the Flames

[TheScorpion]

Maybe Bennett was mishandled but I just don't think he's all that good. He's playing on a team where he'd have to be woefully incompetent not to succeed in some capacity, and yet he's eighth on the Panthers in scoring. Barely ahead of Anton Lundell.

Heineman is a well-regarded prospect and the second-round pick could be useful as trade capital for acquiring a scoring winger to help round out the team up front.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Maybe Bennett was mishandled but I just don't think he's all that good. He's playing on a team where he'd have to be woefully incompetent not to succeed in some capacity, and yet he's eighth on the Panthers in scoring. Barely ahead of Anton Lundell.

Heineman is a well-regarded prospect and the second-round pick could be useful as trade capital for acquiring a scoring winger to help round out the team up front.

Maybe he was mishandled? He's not that good?

I mean, he's no Matthew Phillips lol

He'd be the 4th or 5th best forward on the team imo

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Maybe he was mishandled? He's not that good?

I mean, he's no Matthew Phillips lol

He'd be the 4th or 5th best forward on the team imo

OK... and that's not the type of player who's super difficult to replace. He was disillusioned with the team and wasn't producing. They managed to get a return that most people thought that astonishingly good at the time of the trade.

I'd be stunned if Bennett turns into Marc Savard overnight. He's more like Dylan Strome than anything.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Maybe Bennett was mishandled but I just don't think he's all that good. He's playing on a team where he'd have to be woefully incompetent not to succeed in some capacity, and yet he's eighth on the Panthers in scoring. Barely ahead of Anton Lundell.

Heineman is a well-regarded prospect and the second-round pick could be useful as trade capital for acquiring a scoring winger to help round out the team up front.

Heineman is also not due to sign an ELC until this summer. That’s when I expect there’ll be more info.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Huberdeau. That is all. He’s made him.

Without him - he’s Calgary Bennett.

Not true but whatever make you sleep well at night lol

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Maybe he was mishandled? He's not that good?

I mean, he's no Matthew Phillips lol

He'd be the 4th or 5th best forward on the team imo

Lol certainly not the 4th

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

OK... and that's not the type of player who's super difficult to replace. He was disillusioned with the team and wasn't producing. They managed to get a return that most people thought that astonishingly good at the time of the trade.

I'd be stunned if Bennett turns into Marc Savard overnight. He's more like Dylan Strome than anything.

Strome is an interesting comparisons in that he only has exceled when he is playing with really high quality players. He can't drive play on his own.
Which sounds like a shot at Sam. I don't mean it to be.
i view the trade as a win-win, perhaps trending to be a larger win for Florida.

We have to keep in mind the expansion implications. Flames would not have protected him and if they didn't would Seattle have selected Gio? And if not, and Gio stays in Calgary, does Kylington get the chance to emerge?

All these what ifs are interesting to consider. Ultimately they got a good return for Sam based on his value at the time. Good on Florida for buying low. Good on Sam for grabbing the opportunity.

It's a win all around from where I sit.

[dino7c]

Lets see if Sam is over 40 points before we go crowning him

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lets see if Sam is over 40 points before we go crowning him

The more interesting thing will be what happens in the playoffs, and how Sam compares to the Flames big 4.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Strome is an interesting comparisons in that he only has exceled when he is playing with really high quality players. He can't drive play on his own.
Which sounds like a shot at Sam. I don't mean it to be.
i view the trade as a win-win, perhaps trending to be a larger win for Florida.

We have to keep in mind the expansion implications. Flames would not have protected him and if they didn't would Seattle have selected Gio? And if not, and Gio stays in Calgary, does Kylington get the chance to emerge?

All these what ifs are interesting to consider. Ultimately they got a good return for Sam based on his value at the time. Good on Florida for buying low. Good on Sam for grabbing the opportunity.

It's a win all around from where I sit.

This is exactly it. The expansion forced the Flames hand. I think if he was on the team, he probably gets selected by Seattle. Flames in the end down picks and prospects and cap space from Gio staying. Who knows what this team looks like if Gio is still here. I don't mind the transition the team has made in his absence.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I have to say, I am convinced that the people who routinely #### talk Bennett absolutely do NOT watch him play in Florida. I understand, it's not a team you're watching most nights, nor have access to, but he's a very important player in all situations. The points are good, but he's become their 2nd best two-way center after Barkov. That's saying something.

Andrew Brunette was quoted after the last game saying he thought Bennett played excellently, and did the game before as well, noting it was a shame he was out with a stomach bug for the one game.

I know it hurts to see and wonder "what if", but it's still true none the less. Bennett is a great player.

[AustinL_NHL]

Bennett has the 13th highest (11th among forwards) xGF% (60.54%) in the NHL among players who've played 20+ games and is 1st on his team by a couple percent, which is a decent margin.

Only Duclair (4.49) is on the ice for more GF/60 at 5v5 than Bennett (4.47), and with Bennett on the ice at 5v5, the Panthers have an xGF/60 of 3.43, which is way better than any forward (Hornqvist is 2nd at 3.14).

Individually at 5v5, Bennett leads the Panthers in ixGF/60, iCF/60, iFF/60, iSCF/60 and is 2nd in iHDCF/60. Been a victim of not getting any secondary assists.

Anyone who hates on Bennett at this point is just making themselves look bad.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^I will just add that if Barkov had not been derailed by a couple of nagging injuries, he'd be leading the team in those categories. He hasn't looked quite right since his first injury earlier in the year. Bennett has become the de facto #1 in the meantime.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I have to say, I am convinced that the people who routinely #### talk Bennett absolutely do NOT watch him play in Florida. I understand, it's not a team you're watching most nights, nor have access to, but he's a very important player in all situations. The points are good, but he's become their 2nd best two-way center after Barkov. That's saying something.

Andrew Brunette was quoted after the last game saying he thought Bennett played excellently, and did the game before as well, noting it was a shame he was out with a stomach bug for the one game.

I know it hurts to see and wonder "what if", but it's still true none the less. Bennett is a great player.

They're just rationalizing ####ing up the highest ever pick in Calgary Flames history not panning out here due to continuous terrible coaching and management. Easier to swallow the bitter pill of him playing to his expected potential somewhere else.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Strome is an interesting comparisons in that he only has exceled when he is playing with really high quality players. He can't drive play on his own.
Which sounds like a shot at Sam. I don't mean it to be.
i view the trade as a win-win, perhaps trending to be a larger win for Florida.

We have to keep in mind the expansion implications. Flames would not have protected him and if they didn't would Seattle have selected Gio? And if not, and Gio stays in Calgary, does Kylington get the chance to emerge?

All these what ifs are interesting to consider. Ultimately they got a good return for Sam based on his value at the time. Good on Florida for buying low. Good on Sam for grabbing the opportunity.

It's a win all around from where I sit.

Sure but if Treliving was smart, he was not, he would have exposed Monahan instead and the Krakens would have politely declined

Btw strome is a terrible comparison as he has done #### other than scoring. Bennett contributes many other ways

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sure but if Treliving was smart, he was not, he would have exposed Monahan instead and the Krakens would have politely declined

Btw strome is a terrible comparison as he has done #### other than scoring. Bennett contributes many other ways

If we go back were you advocating to expose Monahan prior to the expansion draft. If not easy to say what is smart and not smart with the benefit of 20/20

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If we go back were you advocating to expose Monahan prior to the expansion draft. If not easy to say what is smart and not smart with the benefit of 20/20

Bennett was gone so there was no such choice/discussion

[TheScorpion]

(Bennett's most substantial contribution when he isn't scoring is a negative one: he constantly puts his team down a player.)

Why are we continuing to wring our hands about a complementary player who was traded for a fair return and is now eighth on his new team in scoring?