Star Wars

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/s...lm-1236319794/

First off, good riddance.

Second, what took so long?

Third, why not now? Like, today.

Should replace her with a committee of ultra-nerds.

[Blaster86]

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in joy that they suddenly might be heard.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

As I recall...weren't X-Wings a fairly old model? An improved version of the Z-95 Headhunter? Just upgraded because thats all the Alliance could afford and then they realized how tough and well-built they were and they upgraded them?

They are pretty awesome.

They're fast, they carry missiles, they have shields and a hyperdrive and an astromech and they have 4 lasers!

X-Wings are pretty bitchin'!

I don't think the lore has changed with Disney EU.

But the X-Wings were a prototype fighter by X-Com, and designed as the successor to the Arc-170's that we saw in the Prequels.

When Incom was about to be nationalized by Palpatine, the designers and engineers stole the X-Wings and their plans and gifted them to the alliance.

It was again according to the Lore a design that Palpatine didn't really buy into because its combination of weapons, shields, super fast hyper drive and high performance engines made it really expensive compared to the Tie Fighter, They were 3x more expensive. Palpatine saw pilots as disposable anyways so he went with the idea of a high number of high speed unshielded lightly armed tie fighters.

The Y-Wings more closely follow your concept. They were very active during the Clone Wars as the primary fighter bomber of the Republic. When the war ended and the Imperial fleet rose, they thought that the Y-Wings were obsolete and began to dispose of them, as we saw in the show Rebels, the Rebellion started stealing them from the decommission yards, and modified them removing their armor and replacing their manned turret with an automated forward firing ion cannon. They stripped off the armor because it made them slightly faster and easier to maintain.

When the X-Wing took the battlefield it was vastly superior to the original tie fighter, it was faster and more heavily armed and had a hyper drive for hit and run strikes. The Empire responded with the Tie Interceptor which became the fastest and most manoeuvrable fighter in the galaxy until the A-Wing came along. The interceptor was also more heavily armed carrying 4 blasters instead of 2 and it could be fitted with a missile launcher. But the X-Wing still had a key advantage with its shielded nature. That's when Thrawn started pushing the Tie Defender (Rebels) and super fast and manoeuvrable fighter with a heavy sunday punch of weapons, a hyperdrive, extremely good shields which if mass produced would have probably turned the tide against the Rebellion. But the Emperor decided to invest that money into the Death Star project so very few defenders were made.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Knut

Should replace her with a committee of ultra-nerds.

I'm sure that would turn out as well as that episode of the Simpsons where the Mensa people take over running Springfield.

"I wanted to see your utopia. But now I see it is more of a Fruitopia."



I've always felt Kennedy is to Lucasfilm what Bettman is to the NHL, no one actually knows what they do, but fans have decided to hate them and blame all the things they don't like on the boss, and anytime something is done that the fans like, they think it must have been done behind the boss's back.

[SutterBrother]

I mean, poop rolls uphill. She's the one in charge.

Bettman did good things for the NHL. She... didn't.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Knut

Should replace her with a committee of ultra-nerds.

They can travel parallel dimensions to kidnap the best Dave Filonis of the multiverse and form The Council of Daves.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Wormius

They can travel parallel dimensions to kidnap the best Dave Filonis of the multiverse and form The Council of Daves.

Sorry...no Filoni for me. Favreau or bust.

[belsarius]

Time to bring Sam Witwer out of the voice booth and onto the creative team.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Locke

Sorry...no Filoni for me. Favreau or bust.

Are you confusing Jon Favreau with Dave Filoni perchance?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Are you confusing Jon Favreau with Dave Filoni perchance?

No. Filoni seems well adept at animated stories, but Favreau appeared to be the mind behind The Mandalorian and he appears to have the stones to stand up to the studio regarding creativity.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'm fine with Filoni but I'd like him to drop references to his love child series Rebels in these live action series.

Please create something that doesn't require us delving into seasons of an animated show to understand the history.

I had a vague understanding having watched a few episodes, but I heard that newer fans were deeply confused by Ahsoka, as if they were jumping into something mid season.

Andor is great in part because it's its own thing and a nice self contained story with minimal references or lore knowledge required.

I'd like them to branch out and go in completely new directions. The Skywalker saga has been milked Dry.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Third, why not now? Like, today.

They phrase it like that probably out of respect for her long service, but like the common "gardening leave" she's no longer making any decisions.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Locke

No. Filoni seems well adept at animated stories, but Favreau appeared to be the mind behind The Mandalorian and he appears to have the stones to stand up to the studio regarding creativity.

Godfathering the MCU will get you some pretty big stones, especially when standing up to the studio is the only reason we got RDJ.

I agree he would be the best choice to head it up. Filoni might know Star Wars, but Favreau knows the industry.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Please create something that doesn't require us delving into seasons of an animated show to understand the history.

This might be pedantic, but if it was live action instead of animated, would you be okay with it?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

This might be pedantic, but if it was live action instead of animated, would you be okay with it?

Probably. But that's just me.

I became a fan of a trilogy of live action movies as a kid. The animated series don't do it for me. I've given each of them a chance but lost interest in every case.

So for me there's a personal bias, but it can also be acknowledged that it's a lot to ask a casual fan to invest just to understand what the relationships are between these characters they're new to.

If they want to attact new fans they'll need an entry point where prior knowledge isn't required to understand the relationships between the characters.

I know it works in some franchises that have rich lore where you feel compelled to go and read the books or do the homework after the fact. But in this case the gotta see that series or read that graphic novel aspect just doesn't work.

And maybe that's because the characters just aren't very interesting to begin with (at least how they're written in live action).

I think if it was better written and these characters were more three dimensional perhaps they could get away with it.

[belsarius]

For me it is almost always did the writers fit Star Wars into their story or did they write a story for Star Wars.

Andor for example didn't have to be "Star Wars". It had its own story to tell in the universe. The fact that the characters would eventually fit into the story at large wasn't the focus, the story of oppression, rebellion and freedom came first and they made that fit the universe. They could have fit the story into another setting and it would have worked out I think. Focus on character development and plot of that story.

Ashoka on the other hand felt like it was a Star Wars show with a plot tacked onto it. It had to be specific characters, and they were only tangentially developed and assuming you had watched previous content. The plot in another setting falls down.

I found that same issue with the MCU where the focus changed from the stories fitting together, to this has to be together so lets figure out a story. Winter Soldier didn't need to be a Marvel movie to still be good, it was built properly as a espionage thriller. The MCU gave it spice, but didn't hold it together. Where post Civil War movies tend to fall flat on their own and are more focused on the Universe than the story.

But then, I'm the guy who thought that the Mando S2.5 stuck in the middle of Boba Fett was what ruined that show. I really enjoyed the buildup (even if it was slower paced) of the first episodes, developing a relationship with the Sandpeople and learning how to be a crime lord. Then suddenly we need to add the Mandalorian, Luke, Ashoka, Cad Bane and make it all about the Universe. I was looking forward to having him rally the Tuskans and bring reconciliation to the desert and pave his own path - but instead we got force gimics and Grogu saving the day.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Probably. But that's just me.

I became a fan of a trilogy of live action movies as a kid. The animated series don't do it for me. I've given each of them a chance but lost interest in every case.

So for me there's a personal bias, but it can also be acknowledged that it's a lot to ask a casual fan to invest just to understand what the relationships are between these characters they're new to.

If they want to attact new fans they'll need an entry point where prior knowledge isn't required to understand the relationships between the characters.

I know it works in some franchises that have rich lore where you feel compelled to go and read the books or do the homework after the fact. But in this case the gotta see that series or read that graphic novel aspect just doesn't work.

And maybe that's because the characters just aren't very interesting to begin with (at least how they're written in live action).

I think if it was better written and these characters were more three dimensional perhaps they could get away with it.

IMO this is Star Wars' main problem. They want to stick with what they know and, the writing and characters are always dependent on prior knowledge, which is nonsense.

"Oh I know it seems chaotic and ridiculous but the whole thing makes perfect sense if you've read this comic or book or watched this entire other show."

No.

You cant rely on other stories to do all of your heavy lifting for you, if you want to tell a story then tell it in a coherent and self-contained manner.

Thats what made The Mandalorian really good and what made Andor really good. They had their own characters and told their own stories, its when they intertwined a whole bunch of other stuff where The Mandalorian started going off the rails.

Same with Book of Boba Fett. They had a known character and had him do uncharacteristic things. There is no 'if' either tell or do not.

[direwolf]

I always found the Kennedy hate hilarious. As a producer she has one of the most storied and successful resumes in film history. Star Wars fans are such whiney little b**ches.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I always found the Kennedy hate hilarious. As a producer she has one of the most storied and successful resumes in film history. Star Wars fans are such whiney little b**ches.

She's been a part of some shockingly great films from the 80s-90s.

Which makes one wonder.... what the hell happened?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

She's been a part of some shockingly great films from the 80s-90s.

Which makes one wonder.... what the hell happened?

Time and change comes for us all.