2024/2025 Trade Rumours and Speculation thread

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I'd do a 1 year with the intention of moving him at the deadline for a pick. One thing is that Duclair is a finisher, so could help the young guys numbers by finishing their passes

That’s fair.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I'd do a 1 year with the intention of moving him at the deadline for a pick. One thing is that Duclair is a finisher, so could help the young guys numbers by finishing their passes

If he actually makes Huberdeau into a more productive player, I think then you keep him.

[traptor]

Why are we so worried about Hubrrdeau still. He's a middle 6 winger. This team isn't going to be succesful based on what he does or doesn't do moving forward. His cap doesn't matter for the next few years and by the time it does he's going to be in his mid 30s anyways and we will be trying to buy him out.

Let's focus on building our new core and not waste valuable roster spots on trying to get a middle 6 winger going.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by traptor

Why are we so worried about Hubrrdeau still. He's a middle 6 winger. This team isn't going to be successful based on what he does or doesn't do moving forward. His cap doesn't matter for the next few years and by the time it does he's going to be in his mid 30s anyways and we will be trying to buy him out.

Let's focus on building our new core and not waste valuable roster spots on trying to get a middle 6 winger going.

Huberdeau is basically buy out proof, as the large majority of his pay is in bonuses. So, buying him out saves little, and likely just extends cap into years where we might be competitive.

So, for the next 7 years, getting him more productive is a good thing.

At the end of the day, Calgary has lots of roster spots.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Huberdeau is basically buy out proof, as the large majority of his pay is in bonuses. So, buying him out saves little, and likely just extends cap into years where we might be competitive.

So, for the next 7 years, getting him more productive is a good thing.

At the end of the day, Calgary has lots of roster spots.

Looking at a summer 2027 buyout (new arena expected to be completed, when we may want to seriously compete).

Huberdeau will be 35.
Im pretty sure Huberdeau at 35 will be a below replacement level player.

10.4
7.9
10.4
5.9
.9
.9
.9
.9

Or
10.5
10.5
10.5
10.5

I bet they buy him out around then, just to get someone useful in and some cap relief. The 900k for 4 years after is negligible.
Or they cap dump him and pay the price in assets

We really dont have extra spaces. Previous poster showed it. There's only 6 top 6 spaces. Can't waste two of those to get a soft old middle 6 winger from 50-70 points.

It's throwing good money after bad.
Flames lost our house in a gamble. Let's not go to the loan sharks and try to win it back.
Take the loss and look forward.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Looking at a summer 2027 buyout (new arena expected to be completed, when we may want to seriously compete).

Huberdeau will be 35.
Im pretty sure Huberdeau at 35 will be a below replacement level player.

We really dont have extra spaces. Previous poster showed it. There's only 6 top 6 spaces. Can't waste two of those to get a soft old middle 6 winger from 50-70 points.

It's throwing good money after bad.
Flames lost our house in a gamble. Let's not go to the loan sharks and try to win it back.
Take the loss and look forward.

I can't see them buying him out. Best hope is that he is on LTIR at that point. Also he won't be blocking anyone in top 6.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If he actually makes Huberdeau into a more productive player, I think then you keep him.

We should quit trying to build around Huberdeau.
It's over, 31 year-olds don't bounce back.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

We should quit trying to build around Huberdeau.
It's over, 31 year-olds don't bounce back.

You should tell Conroy that, his plan is to build around Huberdeau.

[1qqaaz]

It is practically never proper to "build around" a left winger. Especially one on the wrong side of 30. However, Huberdeau's gigantic contract should be a major factor in determining the long term strategies as it pertains to asset management.

[TheIronMaiden]

Spending on Huberdeau is just throwing good money over bad.

[mrdonkey]

Huberdeau is just a waste of money at this point. Hope for compliance buyouts and let him fade into the trivia answer for "worst Flames contract in history."

**** you, Treliving.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by konradical

I think you can sign Duclair, but then you need Mang to leave to make room

But I want to move Mang to make room for Pelletier already... IMO we're to cluttered at wing already to contemplate picking up a veteran wing if we're going to pick someone up then it ought to be a Center (I don't like Zary or Sharangovich at C).

Huberdeau - New C - Kuzmenko
Zary - Kadri - Sharangovich
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Greer - Pospicle - Klapka
Rooney

I suppose if you can move Mangiapane & Kuzmenko then there would be a spot for Duclair (Coronato would just have to explode with the Wranglers and force his way up on to start).

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

We should quit trying to build around Huberdeau.
It's over, 31 year-olds don't bounce back.

You never know

After starting his decline in SJ, ~34 ish year old Joe Pavelski had 31 points in 67 games for Dallas in 2019-20

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You should tell Conroy that, his plan is to build around Huberdeau.

If by build around you mean that can't trade him then sure. I don't think they try to hard and spend assets or big money to complement him at this point.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If by build around you mean that can't trade him then sure. I don't think they try to hard and spend assets or big money to complement him at this point.

Conroy literally said he's going to go out and get some guys to help Huberdeau. Don't think he meant from the refuse bin. I don't think he's gonna go UFA but he is going to make some trades.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by traptor

Looking at a summer 2027 buyout (new arena expected to be completed, when we may want to seriously compete).

Huberdeau will be 35.
Im pretty sure Huberdeau at 35 will be a below replacement level player.

10.4
7.9
10.4
5.9
.9
.9
.9
.9

Or
10.5
10.5
10.5
10.5

I bet they buy him out around then, just to get someone useful in and some cap relief. The 900k for 4 years after is negligible.
Or they cap dump him and pay the price in assets

We really dont have extra spaces. Previous poster showed it. There's only 6 top 6 spaces. Can't waste two of those to get a soft old middle 6 winger from 50-70 points.

It's throwing good money after bad.
Flames lost our house in a gamble. Let's not go to the loan sharks and try to win it back.
Take the loss and look forward.

They save 10% of his contract, and that little cap space. I doubt they buy him out.

They really have extra spaces, as the lineup is littered with guys that can come or go. Like it or not, Calgary is reloading, and that means if they can get a relatively cheap player who helps get Huberdeau going, they'll jump at it. Conroy has said as much.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Conroy literally said he's going to go out and get some guys to help Huberdeau. Don't think he meant from the refuse bin. I don't think he's gonna go UFA but he is going to make some trades.

When did he say this? Might Kuzmenko have chemistry with him?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

When did he say this? Might Kuzmenko have chemistry with him?

Locker room day presser.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Parallex

But I want to move Mang to make room for Pelletier already... IMO we're to cluttered at wing already to contemplate picking up a veteran wing if we're going to pick someone up then it ought to be a Center (I don't like Zary or Sharangovich at C).

Huberdeau - New C - Kuzmenko
Zary - Kadri - Sharangovich
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Greer - Pospicle - Klapka
Rooney

I suppose if you can move Mangiapane & Kuzmenko then there would be a spot for Duclair (Coronato would just have to explode with the Wranglers and force his way up on to start).

Coronato is much closer to being a NHL player than Pelletier, not sure how he loses a spot to Pelletier. Don’t mind seeing what Pelletier can do in his D+6 year but am not overly hopeful.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They save 10% of his contract, and that little cap space. I doubt they buy him out.

They really have extra spaces, as the lineup is littered with guys that can come or go. Like it or not, Calgary is reloading, and that means if they can get a relatively cheap player who helps get Huberdeau going, they'll jump at it. Conroy has said as much.

O I'm not saying they won't, as I'm sure they will.

I'm saying i vehemently disagree with this course of action and think it's a terrible strategy.

Bringing in Duclair and pushing down pelletier/coronato to the 4th line or out of the roster is not doing us any favour's short or long term.

I guess maybe it will push huberdeau to 60 points (-30) and us from drafting 9th again to drafting 11 and losing our pick, but that's about it.