I'll say this - if they're planning on a fall release and haven't even figured out how to make Kinect while sitting yet it either spells two things: major delays or half-assed functionality if they do release it this fall.
the article that you linked to says that M$ reached out to IGN to confirm that kinect is playable when sitting down. i think the problem is that they didn't have any couches at e3; we will have to wait and see if it works sitting down.
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Most of the negativity in this thread towards Kinect is because a) all the games shown have already been done on the Wii, and b) it's an extra cost on top of the system. How many people in their average demographic you mention want to play Wii Sports with no controller? I certainly am not jumping out of my seat to preorder a Kinect.
If you're trying to take a piece of the pie of the casual market (as you put it, taking away the use of the Wii since Kinect does it better apparently), you're going to market to the same people who buy Wii games for their families. First you need to sell them on spending more money on an accessory (no guarantees), then get them to buy the shovelware they might own on the Wii. If you're trying to cater to the hardcore gamers, they got to an awful start with no support to their current users, so to speak.
Not too many people care about hi-def yet. It's not a requirement so to speak. My parents or some kids could care less if it's 480p or 1080p when they're playing Random Party Game. Also, when the Wii came out everyone was saying "give them some time to work with the system and better games will come out". Has that happened? Not really. The only game I've played on the Wii recently has been Mario Galaxy 2, and it has very little use of the remote. I'm skeptical Kinetic will move beyond gimmicky control schemes (I'm thinking they limit the amount you can do in a star wars game for example because too much means the system can confuse your movements), but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
(Note: I have all three current gen systems and I don't have a favorite, they all do different things for me.)
all i can say is that a number of people that i know were really blown away by the videos; whether or not that translates into sales will likely depend upon how well executed and the type of press that m$ receives.
the gizmodo article blew me away; an interesting article.
here's what i don't get; the real duplication at e3 was the sony move. but sony introduced another dimension and that may provide different gameplay again.
as for extra cost for peripherals, who would have thought that plastic guitars and drums would have created an entire sub genre that has sold millions of copies and provided income for musicians that simply did not exist a few years ago? not to mention the cost of all of that gear?
after the gizmodo article, i will be placing a preorder for one and i will be watching developments very closely.
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the article that you linked to says that M$ reached out to IGN to confirm that kinect is playable when sitting down. i think the problem is that they didn't have any couches at e3; we will have to wait and see if it works sitting down.
Uh, no that's not the problem at all.
Both IGN and Kotaku posted impressions where they attempted to use Kinect sitting down and it didn't work. IGN changed their article after M$'s PR contacted them and tried to spin the situation.
All we know at this point is that the Kinect at E3 was unusable sitting down. Microsoft is claiming that it will be in time for release, but I don't take any promises in the gaming industry to heart anymore.
Even so, all Microsoft has said is that it will work sitting down for the menu navigation and entertainment aspect. So no gaming sitting down. That means Forza standing in the middle of your living room. That means no Kinect + controller applications to core games.
Both IGN and Kotaku posted impressions where they attempted to use Kinect sitting down and it didn't work. IGN changed their article after M$'s PR contacted them and tried to spin the situation.
All we know at this point is that the Kinect at E3 was unusable sitting down. Microsoft is claiming that it will be in time for release, but I don't take any promises in the gaming industry to heart anymore.
Even so, all Microsoft has said is that it will work sitting down for the menu navigation and entertainment aspect. So no gaming sitting down. That means Forza standing in the middle of your living room. That means no Kinect + controller applications to core games.
you mean that it will work exactly like the Sony Move or the Nintendo remotes? terrible. imagine the sheer horribleness of not being able to do all of that motion gaming while sitting on the couch. especially the dancing and fitness. and sports. and everything else that so far has been advertised as requiring kinect. i can't believe it. how can we as consumers support a thing like that. and entertainment like movies and navigation while sitting down? and regular controller games as well...sitting down. its unfathomable to me that M$ announces and demos a product a full 5 months prior to launch and it isn't 100% ready to sell today.
m$ contacted and spun? okay...if you yourself want to put a little english on the article. i don't disagree with your comment that the article was not definitive, however how does that qualify as m$ spinning? it clearly states that some games will play sitting down and some will require standing up, and that it will play entertainment stuff sitting down. tbqh, it will or it won't. then we will see spin.
i'm no m$ fanboy, owning multiple game platforms including 360 and the wii, as well as a former owner of previous generations of consoles. i preordered rockband and guitar hero and i will be preordering the kinect. i will not be preordering the move nor anything nintendo based upon what i saw at E3.
if people don't like the first iteration of something, and i completely understand that, then they shouldn't buy it. especially technology. maybe m$ never fixes the stand up/sit down debate, in which case they will know by their sales whether or not it makes a difference. its a free market. i think that a possible real failure for M$ is in the game bundling and the price of that package. my frustration with E3 was in not knowing what the price or bundles will be (having read numerous rumours), however if it is too expensive for too little bundle then i will wait (cancelling my preorder first).
i think the technology is extremely cool and i can't wait to get my hands on the first iteration in November when we will know the price and the bundling. and no, i don't plan on sitting on the couch for action gaming.
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imagine the sheer horribleness of not being able to do all of that motion gaming while sitting on the couch.
I can play every single wii game I own firmly on my ass.
I think his point isn't not being able to sit and play a game like Wii sports. His point is not being able to sit and play Super Mario Galaxy would suck.
For the people who sometimes have long sessions of Gears of Halo (like 4+ hours), this Kinect would be terrible. Sure it (Kinect) would be for the most asinine kiddy games, but how long before you get tired of standing up to play a game.
The only part if this entire conference I even bothered to read about was the bit on Gears of War 3. The rest of it can pound sand.
On the hardware side, MS can talk to me when there's a new console, not just the same console in a smaller box. As for the other stuff, if I want to flap my arms around like a chicken while spinning in circles in my living room, I'll buy a Wii.
I hadn't been to an E3 in six years, but it was awesome.
I didn't play a lot of stuff mentioned here, having no interest in Move or Kinect, and the 3DS line was WAY TOO LONG but I did try a ton of RPGs and just..random things. Marvel vs Capcom 3 is awesome. So's the new Castlevania (not the puzzle one), new Zelda (lining up for it sucked though), some of the RPGs I played like Trinity Universe - if you've ever played Disgaea it's somewhat related - and Valkyria Chronicles 2. MGS Peace Walker (yeah I know it's out) and God of War: Ghost of Sparta weren't bad either.
And the MGS Rising trailer is neat.
I didn't get to go to/see any of the Big 3 conferences. As someone who's been thinking about a 360 though, the slim is nice. Otherwise I heard the Sony and M$ ones were meh, but the huge 3DS lineup of titles has me curious (especially the SMT games).
you mean that it will work exactly like the Sony Move or the Nintendo remotes? terrible. imagine the sheer horribleness of not being able to do all of that motion gaming while sitting on the couch. especially the dancing and fitness. and sports. and everything else that so far has been advertised as requiring kinect. i can't believe it. how can we as consumers support a thing like that. and entertainment like movies and navigation while sitting down? and regular controller games as well...sitting down. its unfathomable to me that M$ announces and demos a product a full 5 months prior to launch and it isn't 100% ready to sell today.
You must really like racing games standing in the middle of your living room.
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m$ contacted and spun? okay...if you yourself want to put a little english on the article. i don't disagree with your comment that the article was not definitive, however how does that qualify as m$ spinning? it clearly states that some games will play sitting down and some will require standing up, and that it will play entertainment stuff sitting down. tbqh, it will or it won't. then we will see spin.
Re-read the article. It says nothing about games, only the non-gaming menu stuff. Here's a quote from kotaku:
"A Microsoft spokesperson told me after the publication of this article that the company is certain that Kinect gesture control will work for movies, ESPN and other "entertainment" features before the sensor is launched. As I originally reported, that is not an implemented feature yet. The spokesperson was not able to provide any update on the Kinect's tolerance of a person who sits while playing games."
Clearly Microsoft isn't making any promises about playing games while sitting down.
Here's another confirmed bombshell about the Kinect that Microsoft kept on the downlow - 2 players only. That's another huge issue with Kinect that can't be ignored.
I can play every single wii game I own firmly on my ass.
I think his point isn't not being able to sit and play a game like Wii sports. His point is not being able to sit and play Super Mario Galaxy would suck.
He has a good point.
and what point is that? that you have a motion detector that doesn't actually require you to move other than moving your wrist or arms only on the wii?
or that m$ isn't abandoning standard controllers? i didn't see where standard controllers are being abandoned; they aren't. if this is all about forza 5, that was the most blatant bit of shovelware that i saw for kinect and i wouldn't buy it. but for other games it looked like kinect will have nothing to do with them at this point. put another way, wouldn't it be stupid if m$ only got 10% pick up on the install base, and then said that say, halo reach will only play on kinect? exactly. they wouldn't do that. although 4 million kinects would be a pretty good win for m$.
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or that m$ isn't abandoning standard controllers? i didn't see where standard controllers are being abandoned;
You don't even know what you're arguing anymore, do you?
I don't think anyone said that. Our point was that no one was going to want to use that to play games if you are required to stand to play every game you use it for.
You don't even know what you're arguing anymore, do you?
I don't think anyone said that. Our point was that no one was going to want to use that to play games if you are required to stand to play every game you use it for.
thanks for the faux superiority but do you actually know what point you are arguing? nothing like missing the point and getting it pointed out for you and trying for the bulletin board smack. "our point"? is this like a collective now?
your point was that you used your motion controllers to play every game that you own on the wii while sitting down. so who cares? wii fit can't be done from the couch and its a huge hit; i guess some people want to stand up while using a motion controller.
the fact is that there has been nothing posted anywhere ever where kinect is required to replace the standard controller for traditional games. it is intended to play kinect only games standing up for sure and possibly sitting down; that part remains uncertain although microsoft says yes, probably. i can't imagine all of the games being played sitting down.
its an obvious point that no one would play halo for 3 hours standing up; but no one has claimed that. maybe microsoft shouldn't have developed this product; its obviously causing too much confusion.
what was your point again?
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