HBO's The Pacific

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I read these as excuses for Pacific not being as good as BoB. We're talking about the same producers, the same time period, similar budget, same amount of time to tell the story, same network, same format (ie vets telling their tale followed by the show), etc. There are more similarities than differences.

Opposite sides of the planet. Completely different enemy. Completely different style of warfare. Completely different terrain. Completely different strategies and tactics.

Maybe the producers didn't want to simply copycat BOB. They wanted to tell this story a different way. To me it seems they are telling the story visually, instead of explaining every little thing with narration and dialog. It may backfire on them as hardcore BOB fans seem to not be too impressed. To me I don't really connect the two series. It has been eight years since I watched BOB. I look at it as something total different.

[You Need a Thneed]

They didn't to tell the same story as BoB. They had to do things a little differently. Following one company around would have been too similar to BoB, plus it wouldn't have been able to show as many aspects of the war.

So far, I've been entertained. Looking forward to seeing more navy/air battles in future episodes.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I read these as excuses for Pacific not being as good as BoB. We're talking about the same producers, the same time period, similar budget, same amount of time to tell the story, same network, same format (ie vets telling their tale followed by the show), etc. There are more similarities than differences.

The problem so far (I'm still optimistic this will be awesome when all is said and done) is they're doing a bad job. The story is incoherent. The characters are bland, unrecognizable and difficult to relate to. They're not relaying much of the suffering or hardship. Even basic things like timeframe - I can't even tell how long things are going on for. How long were they on that island? I have no idea.

I think it was a huge mistake not to develop the characters first. This watches more like a transformers movie than something on par with BoB.

You do realize they are telling the story through essentially 3 different characters. If they wanted to develop the characters the story would be even more incoherent as they would have to develop the characters of 3 different companies, or regiments, what ever that may be, they'd have 100's of guys.

BoB was telling the story of 'E' Company. The Pacific follows 3 guys, Lecky, Sledge and someone else (his name escapes me right now).

Honestly if people are disappointed with The Pacific, it is there own fault because the way the Pacific is being made is NOT supposed to be like BoB AT ALL.

I don't get why people want 3 episodes directly relating to plot and character development. That is NOT what this show is supposed to be about.

My only argument is that the episodes have only been like 50 minutes, rather than the 1hr+. Other than that this series is just as good as BoB so far.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

You do realize they are telling the story through essentially 3 different characters. If they wanted to develop the characters the story would be even more incoherent as they would have to develop the characters of 3 different companies, or regiments, what ever that may be, they'd have 100's of guys.

BoB was telling the story of 'E' Company. The Pacific follows 3 guys, Lecky, Sledge and someone else (his name escapes me right now).

Honestly if people are disappointed with The Pacific, it is there own fault because the way the Pacific is being made is NOT supposed to be like BoB AT ALL.

I don't get why people want 3 episodes directly relating to plot and character development. That is NOT what this show is supposed to be about.

My only argument is that the episodes have only been like 50 minutes, rather than the 1hr+. Other than that this series is just as good as BoB so far.

Your debating style reminds me of my grandpa. Take you stance and just repeat it over and over and over and over again until people eventually just ignore you.

We get it, you like the Pacific. What we're telling you, is that as an entertainment device, the Pacific is not doing half-the job BoB did. We are all hoping that it turns around in the coming episodes, but as it stands now, the first 2 parts of this series have been wholly underwhelming.

Sure the storytelling style, warfare style and location are 99% different from BoB, but being different doesn't mean its a good show. And what is this "ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE BOB AT ALL", ya, thats why they're following the exact same format, same titles, hell, same "old people telling the story" style. Get over yourself and quit acting like this series has even begun to touch the greatness BoB.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

They didn't to tell the same story as BoB. They had to do things a little differently. Following one company around would have been too similar to BoB, plus it wouldn't have been able to show as many aspects of the war.

So far, I've been entertained. Looking forward to seeing more navy/air battles in future episodes.

I agree - my only point is they aren't just doing it differently; they're doing it poorly. This one is barely entertaining whereas BoB was enthralling.

I still have faith they will redeem themselves and this series will end up kicking some major ass.

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

You do realize they are telling the story through essentially 3 different characters. If they wanted to develop the characters the story would be even more incoherent as they would have to develop the characters of 3 different companies, or regiments, what ever that may be, they'd have 100's of guys.

Since when does 3 = 100?

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

BoB was telling the story of 'E' Company. The Pacific follows 3 guys, Lecky, Sledge and someone else (his name escapes me right now).

Honestly if people are disappointed with The Pacific, it is there own fault because the way the Pacific is being made is NOT supposed to be like BoB AT ALL.

That's a straw man argument (aka logical fallacy). You're saying I'm saying I don't like this because it's not like BoB. If that were true, that would be stupid and you'd be right. But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I don't like this because I haven't found it to be entertaining.

I was expecting big things because the same people made BoB, but so far they've let me down.

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

I don't get why people want 3 episodes directly relating to plot and character development. That is NOT what this show is supposed to be about.

Character development can take place within the episodes and it hasn't (adequately, anyway...IMO of course). Wanting some character development doesn't mean I want three episodes dedicated to it. Geez man, you keep warping what I say lol.

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

My only argument is that the episodes have only been like 50 minutes, rather than the 1hr+. Other than that this series is just as good as BoB so far.

Hopefully it shakes out that way. So far...meh. Glad to hear you're enjoying it, though.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Saturday night I was able to watch the 1st episode on hbocanada.com

I have been checking all day but am yet to find a video of episode 2.

Anyone know where I can find that/when it will be up?

Is hbocanada.com simply delaying a couple days until I can watch it there?

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Saturday night I was able to watch the 1st episode on hbocanada.com

I have been checking all day but am yet to find a video of episode 2.

Anyone know where I can find that/when it will be up?

Is hbocanada.com simply delaying a couple days until I can watch it there?

I dunno but maybe... and MAYBE... torrents or streaming websites have them up. I may have or have not watched from those sources.

[tanguay'sstillgood]

I flat-out refuse to compare this to Band of Brothers at this point. Is it really fair to compare a show that is only in its intro to the entire 10 part series of Band of Brothers? There is no way I can go back in my mind to what I thought after the first two episodes of Band of Brothers, so I wont try. Also, this show has such greater expectations than Band of Brothers did because so many people feel the need to compare the two, which also leads to stronger feelings of disappointment for some people, I believe. Nevermind the fact that most people who care enough to make that comparison on this board have probably seen Band of Brothers numerous times. I'll let this series finish before I compare the two (if I compare them at all. Really, which one is better is irrelevant if they both entertain me).

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Your debating style reminds me of my grandpa. Take you stance and just repeat it over and over and over and over again until people eventually just ignore you.

We get it, you like the Pacific. What we're telling you, is that as an entertainment device, the Pacific is not doing half-the job BoB did. We are all hoping that it turns around in the coming episodes, but as it stands now, the first 2 parts of this series have been wholly underwhelming.

Sure the storytelling style, warfare style and location are 99% different from BoB, but being different doesn't mean its a good show. And what is this "ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE BOB AT ALL", ya, thats why they're following the exact same format, same titles, hell, same "old people telling the story" style. Get over yourself and quit acting like this series has even begun to touch the greatness BoB.

My point isn't "I like the show", yes I like it. But my point is a lot of you don't seem to grasp the concept that this show isn't going to be 100% like BoB, it is a different format completely and think it is terrible because of that.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by tanguay'sstillgood

I flat-out refuse to compare this to Band of Brothers at this point. Is it really fair to compare a show that is only in its intro to the entire 10 part series of Band of Brothers? There is no way I can go back in my mind to what I thought after the first two episodes of Band of Brothers, so I wont try. Also, this show has such greater expectations than Band of Brothers did because so many people feel the need to compare the two, which also leads to stronger feelings of disappointment for some people, I believe. Nevermind the fact that most people who care enough to make that comparison on this board have probably seen Band of Brothers numerous times. I'll let this series finish before I compare the two (if I compare them at all. Really, which one is better is irrelevant if they both entertain me).

THIS

Looking back at BoB I think every episode is fantastic, but remember back and to a lot of people I am guessing the 1st few episodes (especially the 1st) were a little tedious

I think it needs to be judged as a whole, I have enjoyed watching the first two hours so far.

But I do not think it should be compared at all with BoB until after the whole series is done.

[chummer]

I had never watched BoB until I recorded it last weekend when HBO had a 2 day marathon.

I watched the first two episodes of BoB and thought it was a bit slow.Just watched 3 and 4 and now I'm hooked,wow what a series and I hear it gets better.

I'm really enjoying the Pacific too,I think they're both awesome televison.

[return to the red]

Interesting read of the battles featured in the Pacific

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/battl...a-synopsis.htm

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by chummer

I had never watched BoB until I recorded it last weekend when HBO had a 2 day marathon.

I watched the first two episodes of BoB and thought it was a bit slow.Just watched 3 and 4 and now I'm hooked,wow what a series and I hear it gets better.

I'm really enjoying the Pacific too,I think they're both awesome televison.

I agree but the craziest part is that these are real stories. Crazy crazy stuff

[Delthefunky]

I think I'm going to wait until the end before I judge this series, from what I heard it's a slow start to an excellent story. I'm on vacation though and havnt had a chance to see ep. 2 yet!.

[chummer]

Those PVR expanders are the way to go,you can keep series like this(in HD) for years and they hardly make a dent(at least I'm hoping).

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

My point isn't "I like the show", yes I like it. But my point is a lot of you don't seem to grasp the concept that this show isn't going to be 100% like BoB, it is a different format completely and think it is terrible because of that.

Nobody is saying that. Just you. Over and over.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Nobody is saying that. Just you. Over and over.

To be fair, I think people on both sides of the argument are just repeating the same stuff over and over. It's only two episodes in so the critiquing makes sense. But if its still like this in a month its going to get tired really fast. This thread's already getting annoying, considering its just about a weekly TV show.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Looking back at BoB I think every episode is fantastic, but remember back and to a lot of people I am guessing the 1st few episodes (especially the 1st) were a little tedious

The first episode was tedious because it had "Ross" in it. I don't like Schwimmer at all.

I agree, the comparisons are tough to make right now. I think it's like comparing a sequel to the original. The original is nearly always better than the sequel. On it's own, a sequel can be a fantastic movie/series however the inevitable comparison against the original will come up.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

The first episode was tedious because it had "Ross" in it. I don't like Schwimmer at all.

I agree, the comparisons are tough to make right now. I think it's like comparing a sequel to the original. The original is nearly always better than the sequel. On it's own, a sequel can be a fantastic movie/series however the inevitable comparison against the original will come up.

Yeah but wasn't it great when he had 'E' company ripped away from him to and he couldn't go to Europe. I got so excited.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

The first episode was tedious because it had "Ross" in it. I don't like Schwimmer at all.

I agree, the comparisons are tough to make right now. I think it's like comparing a sequel to the original. The original is nearly always better than the sequel. On it's own, a sequel can be a fantastic movie/series however the inevitable comparison against the original will come up.

that's why he was perfect for the role, he plays the dick part so well. i think my favorite moment in all of BoB is when he and Winters meet up again briefly after Germany surrendered

"You salute the rank, not the man Mr. Sobel"