Survivor Heroes vs Villains Pool

[csnarpy]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Prediction for Sunday's finale.

6. Rupert
5. Colby
4. Jerri
3. Pavarti
2. Russell
1. Sandra wins.

As much as I will hate this outcome, I'm with ya but with one small difference...

6. Rupert
5. Colby
4. Jerri
3. Russell
2. Pavarti
1. Sandra wins.

[CaptainCrunch]

If Sandra wins they really have to revisit the jury system.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by D to the iddy

I was actually checking this yesterday to make sure I knew who voted for who on Thursday and they had the winner and all previously unknown eliminations listed. I already heard a rumor of the winner being leaked so this just added to the leaking. I bet the producers aren't pleased about that.

Yeah, I am pretty sure it was leaked the year Sandra won too. I heard a rumour that some people from loserville ended up wagering a fairly large amount on her on some of these offshore betting sites and that's how they found out it was blown.

I did stumble upon a leak before the season started when I was looking up the contestants for this year, didn't really believe it, but if memory serves the the 3 they had at the top are all still in it, I didn't bother looking at the rest of the eliminations.

Personally I'm still suprised that 20 seasons in at Survivor is still pulling in top 10 in the weekly ratings.

[CaptainCrunch]

Spoiler for those who are still waiting to watch

Sandra wins after she gets to the final three with Pavarti and Russell. Sandra finished first, Pavarti second and Russell third with no votes

Once again the jury system is flawed, the weakest player in challenges who hung onto coat tails, who's only strategy was to get rid of Russell but failed won.

An outstanding season ends for me on a sour vote because all the members of the jury, who pretty much had to lie and backstab to get to the jury are hypocritical enough to vote based on the fact that their feelings got hurt.

And coach is still an absolute moron.

On a positive note, Russell did win the 100000 player of the game as voted by the viewers.

The boot list was out when they announced the players. And it was exactly right throughout the whole season.
IMO I think the winner is garbage.

[Superflyer]

Man this is stupid, how can the weakest person in the top 3 win it all? So to win you have just have to ride coat tails and then not make any moves the entire game?

I think that I may be done with this show.

[Otto-matic]

They should just get rid of the hidden immunity idol, and have a final two instead of 3. It was a good season of Survivor and probably the first one I've followed on a week to week basis since Australia.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Absolute joke. Great year, but I think I'm done with the show until something serious changes. The jury system is indeed flawed.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I never realized Sandra has never won a single challenge in her two seasons. That's hilarious.

[Otto-matic]

The Heroes downfall was voting by their alliances rather then keeping the strongest over the weakest.

That and JT's idiotic move that screwed over his tribe.

[D to the iddy]

I know I'm in the minority here but I find Sandra an incredibly smart player and deserved winner. She knows that the aggressive person is not usually the most liked and she knows how to play the game of Survivor. Boston Rob had it right, Russell knew how to play the game to get to the end, but didn't know how to play the game to win it. Sandra knew how to play the game to win it. It's hard to disagree when you're 2 for 2. What I find amazing is that she seemed to play the exact same way she did in Pearl Islands and not get voted out. How do some of the best Survivor's in history not pick up on that? Her strategy of "as long as it's not me" has worked for her and won her the game twice. Is she great TV? Not really, but she knows how to play the game that is presented to her.

On a side note: her streak of not winning any challenges and making it to the end reminded me of Dr. Will from Big Brother 2 and Big Brother 7. He never won and individual challenge and still won/made final 4. It seems to be a pattern forming among these reality shows.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by D to the iddy

I know I'm in the minority here but I find Sandra an incredibly smart player and deserved winner. She knows that the aggressive person is not usually the most liked and she knows how to play the game of Survivor. Boston Rob had it right, Russell knew how to play the game to get to the end, but didn't know how to play the game to win it. Sandra knew how to play the game to win it. It's hard to disagree when you're 2 for 2. What I find amazing is that she seemed to play the exact same way she did in Pearl Islands and not get voted out. How do some of the best Survivor's in history not pick up on that? Her strategy of "as long as it's not me" has worked for her and won her the game twice. Is she great TV? Not really, but she knows how to play the game that is presented to her.

On a side note: her streak of not winning any challenges and making it to the end reminded me of Dr. Will from Big Brother 2 and Big Brother 7. He never won and individual challenge and still won/made final 4. It seems to be a pattern forming among these reality shows.

ya but the difference was that Will completely dominated those games strategy wise, Sandra never had any say in deciding who was going out. And when there was someone who she wanted eliminated she couldn't make it happen.

The jury system is flawed, although if you look back at the winners the right person has won more often than not. Just quickly thinking there are only 5 winners that stand out to me that shouldn't have won their season. Tina over Colby, Amber over Rob, Danni over Stephanie, Natalie and Sandra over Russell

I do think though that Russell's game play was a victim of the stronger players going out early. I think if people like Stephanie, Tom, Cirie, Tyson and Rob were on the jury they would have rewarded Russell's gameplay rather than voting for the person who hurt their feelings the least

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Brutal ending to a great season. Sandra was possibly the least deserving person out there including the jury members. Her main accomplishments were getting Coach out and finding one immunity idol. I don't think that having everyone keep you around because you're useless should be rewarded as a strategy.

However, I think Russell is way off in suggesting that America needs a say in the final winner. There's just too much potential for producer manipulation to make that a fair method.

Oh, and I can't stand Rupert. His whole proud to be a hero shtick is freaking annoying. Wasn't it him that blasted Russell and said the only people who care about him were his family in the crowd? Loved it when Russell got the people's vote over him for the $100k.

[JiriHrdina]

As entertaining as Russel is - he does have to learn that his arrogance and ego is what keeps him from winning. Pavarti is the ultimate player because she can manipulate people without being a total tool about it. Russel seems to take pleasure in his deceit which makes it tough to vote for him.

[GreenLantern]

I have never hated being right more than I do at this moment.

Very upset with the outcome of this season.. I started a Russell hater but after watching his last season in combination with this quickly became a fan. He is great in challenges, he might not always win but he always comes to play, great strategically, and you can say he sucks socially but he always finds 2 or 3 people that WILL stay loyal to him. This year it was Parvarti and Danielle, last year it was his Foa Foa crew. People recognize that he is a dominant player and they will follow him.

Jeff had it nailed down, he understands that it is frustrating to watch a seemingly useless player win back to back seasons.. but if Russell doesn't adjust his game he will never win. He has to stop pissing people off, but he can't do that if he continues to play the way that he does.

I think Boston Rob has the ideal game play strategy, it failed this time around because his band of idiots couldn't perform a simple task.. but if Russell could shift more to Robs strategy he would do a lot better with jury votes. He should have tried to let Parvarti take more blame, then at least he might have gotten a few votes.

I will agree that Parvarti is a great player, but her calling Russell her "Pet" was a stretch, it is as simple as this, if it wasn't for Russell Parvarti would not have been sitting at the final three, simple as that. And I don't just mean the final vote, I mean the whole stretch run, the entire game.


Oh and I agree, Rupert is an idiot. I was a fan of him, now he is just annoying me. All of the camp followers, even the heroes, have said in the extra interviews that he is also very rude and obnoxious away from the Producers edits.. I could believe it.

[CaptainCrunch]

I just can't believe the bitterness and anger and hatred that the players have over the game.

When Sandra basically said that everyone hated Russell except for his family. And Rupert blathered on about how dispicable and what a disgusting human being Russell was, I found that I felt really sorry for Russell.

There were moments throughout the reunion, when people were ranting on him, when Rob refused to shake his hand that Russell looked outright depressed.

I mean even if it was a strategy, during the final tribal council, Russell was the only one who apologized if he hurt feelings during the competition, and then added on, but I play the game hard.

I mentioned it before, but not one person who gets to the jury doesn't lie or backstab or blind side on the way there, so to me they're really putting their personal feelings in front of the game.

Sandra was an undeserving winner, she can talk about how not winning immunity, and failling in her strategies were her strategy, but at the end of the game, she was neither a hero, nor a villian, she was really nothing, except a rude, obnoxious coat tailer.

and if she had tossed my hat in the fire, she'd be the next one going into the fire.

[GreenLantern]

Agreed, Russell is confused because he has watched people do it for 18 seasons, he is sitting on the final three with people who have done it, and there are about 15 people behind him that have done it.. and yet he is labeled as the devil.

I think what Cirie says is true also, it is impossible to shed an image created of you and your play style, so even if Russell plays again it will be interesting to see if he will actually last past the first tribal council. If he would even want to play again, if I am him and dominating for 78 days straight and losing twice to bitter jury voters.. I might take a pass on the game if I was asked again.

In Somoa MAYBE I can see people getting mad at Russell, he dismantled their alliance, but this time around it was seasoned vets that have all cut just as many throats as he has.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

and if she had tossed my hat in the fire, she'd be the next one going into the fire.

But Russell understood why she did that. Of course he'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise considering his acts of sabotage in his first season.

[d_phaneuf]

Rupert's reaction to losing the fan vote was great

[d_phaneuf]

I actually think the best change they could make would be to separate the jury, I looked at the votes and their was a heroes voting bloc for Sandra which they could have set up when they got sequestered together

they shouldn't be able to share information like that, they should be separated until after the final tribal council (outside of going to watch all the other tribals)