2008 College Football Thread

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by moon

Aww ya I forgot about that. I thought it was a home game for Florida based on the number of Florida fans that there were in the stands.

Actually the ticket distribution is 50/50 to each school. The reason there were more florida fans in the stands was because the GA fans left halfway through the game in order to beat the traffic on their 6 hour drive home.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't get it. If USC wants to be taken seriously then why not book a game against an SEC team? Cal has done it on numerous occasions. If USC had booked a game against even a team like Vanderbilt, they'd be looking a lot better.

They did book a game against one of the most successful schools in the 21st century in Ohio State. They also played Virginia and Notre Dame, both better football teams than Vanderbilt.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't get it. If USC wants to be taken seriously then why not book a game against an SEC team? Cal has done it on numerous occasions. If USC had booked a game against even a team like Vanderbilt, they'd be looking a lot better.

For the last 4 years in a row...USC has played the hardest or one of the top 5 hardest, OOC schedules in college football.

They wasted OSU this year....a team that had played in the last 2 BCS championship games. They scheduled Arkansas 2 years ago and demolished them 52-10 in Arkansas...and thats when Houston Nutt was there. The play Notre Dame EVERY year. This year they played on the road in the ACC and at home against the Big 10...who else does that? They won those games by a combined 87-10. They have outscored opponents this year 312-57...but yes, everything is just fine in the BCS system.

Now you wanna talk OOC sched? The SEC is a joke. Look at their OOC games as a conference and you would be hard pressed to see it equal what USC does year after year.

Like I said...I realize that the PAC 10 is ajoke this year.....but how does that really affect what USC is as a team now? Or for that matter...how about Penn St? They could go 12-0 and miss out on the NC game to a 1 loss Big 12 team and a 1 loss SEC team....why? Because they played a weak OOC schedule. Its a freaking ridiculous system. Its why a playoff system is so long overdue...this stupid crap arises every year and it really is so easy to fix.

Again....does anyone think that USC is really only the 7th best team in the country? Because before Saturday, apparently they were 5th best, then they win 56-0 as they should of, and they get dropped 2 spots. Apparebntly two other teams got better between Friday and Sunday. Hilarious.

Thats why the system si so broken.

It would be SO easy.

Winners of the

Big 12
Big11
SEC
ACC
PAC 10
Big East ( though thats getting debateable)

2 at large bids for the next best 2 teams...whether they come from above conferences or a mid-major.

8 teams/4 games one weekend(Sugar, Cotton,Orange, Fiesta)...then 4 teams/2 games the next weekend (Rose, Tostitos Bowls), Then the BCS game as the grand daddy.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It would be SO easy.

Winners of the

Big 12
Big11
SEC
ACC
PAC 10
Big East ( though thats getting debateable)

2 at large bids for the next best 2 teams...whether they come from above conferences or a mid-major.

8 teams/4 games one weekend(Sugar, Cotton,Orange, Fiesta)...then 4 teams/2 games the next weekend (Rose, Tostitos Bowls), Then the BCS game as the grand daddy.

I'll take it.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by moon

It doesn't say that the SEC is bad, just that it isn't as dominant as thought at the start of the season and that the Florida win at home against Georgia isn't as impressive as many might think. Certainly not impressive enough that they should jump USC.

The one thing that USC has shown better than any other team in the nation is that no matter how bad their conference schedule is come BCS time they are going to kick the crap out of whichever team they play from whatever conference that they come from.

In my view despite their weak conference schedule they should get the benefit of the doubt based on their OOC play and history in the BCS bowl games.

In reality I would like to see an 8 team play-off that would leave out a lot of subjective analysis that is in place now, but that will never happen and instead we have SEC teams playing Div. 2 chumps and relying on voters overhyping their conference, whether it is deserved or not, and voters and computers assigning arbitrary values to loses of various teams.

well, it's subjective that's for sure. But I'd take the SEC over the PAC10 by miles every day of the week. You have to be a USC fan to think otherwise. Just watch the games, it's like the WHL vs the NHL. In the PAC10 timing doesn't matter much, receivers are twice as open, defenses are slower, it just obvious. And yea USC has an impressive OC schedule, but everyone in the SEC still has a harder schedule over the year, regardless of how many Div II teams they play.

And I think I speak for almost anyone who is not a USC fan by saying that I'll give USC the benefit of the doubt when they can win in Corvallis.

[transplant99]

well, it's subjective that's for sure. But I'd take the SEC over the PAC10 by miles every day of the week.

The last few years? Sure. But this is and always has been a cyclical thing. Its ridiculous to completely eliminate a possible "best team in the country" because of other teams weaknesses. The whole SEC is better than the PAC 10 thing can and will change at some point.

And I think I speak for almost anyone who is not a USC fan by saying that I'll give USC the benefit of the doubt when they can win in Corvallis.

And I think I speak for everyone who is not a blind SEC is better than anything supporter when I say I will give Florida the benefit of the doubt when they can win AT HOME against an unranked Ole Miss team.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The last few years? Sure. But this is and always has been a cyclical thing. Its ridiculous to completely eliminate a possible "best team in the country" because of other teams weaknesses. The whole SEC is better than the PAC 10 thing can and will change at some point.



And I think I speak for everyone who is not a blind SEC is better than anything supporter when I say I will give Florida the benefit of the doubt when they can win AT HOME against an unranked Ole Miss team.

Best team in the country? You can't be serious. I thought this was an interesting debate with credible opposing views. This just means you are a USC homer.

And I'm not a blind SEC fan, sorry doesn't fit your arguement well, in fact I've said before PAC10 is my favorite football on the planet, but facts are facts, PAC10 ball is soft compared to the SEC.

And losing in Corvallis is a bigger wart on the resume than Ole Miss.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Best team in the country? You can't be serious. I thought this was an interesting debate with credible opposing views. This just means you are a USC homer.

And I'm not a blind SEC fan, sorry doesn't fit your arguement well, in fact I've said before PAC10 is my favorite football on the planet, but facts are facts, PAC10 ball is soft compared to the SEC.

And losing in Corvallis is a bigger wart on the resume than Ole Miss.

I cant be serious? Really...cause you say so? Well guess what..I am completely serious. No matter what "homer" labels you want to throw around. I would venture that USC could beat any team in the country...right now.

Now granted I dont have your credentials of coaching bantam/high school/pee wee Alberta football players....but I have a set of eyes. Nevermind I said POSSIBLY (nice omission by the way)

But you will truly have to explain to me...how losing AT HOME to a 5-4 Ole Miss team is somehow a better loss than losing ON THE ROAD to a 5-3 Oregon State team that travelled to play Penn State this year.

Go ahead. LVSC awaits your explanation as well.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I cant be serious? Really...cause you say so? Well guess what..I am completely serious. No matter what "homer" labels you want to throw around. I would venture that USC could beat any team in the country...right now.

Now granted I dont have your credentials of coaching bantam/high school/pee wee Alberta football players....but I have a set of eyes. Nevermind I said POSSIBLY (nice omission by the way)

But you will truly have to explain to me...how losing AT HOME to a 5-4 Ole Miss team is somehow a better loss than losing ON THE ROAD to a 5-3 Oregon State team that travelled to play Penn State this year.

Go ahead. LVSC awaits your explanation as well.

Not Oregon State. Couldn't beat them. I like the right now qualifier to ignore that they were no match for the mighty beavers just a few weeks ago. But that is a wart that cannot be denied. I mean, come on.

The explination on the Ole Miss loss is that Ole Miss is a better program than OSU. It seems you think that road vs home games is a HUGE deal with all the CAPS. If that's the case, then the Ohio State win was no big deal right?

But if someone wants to say USC appears to be better than Florida ... fine, that's one thing. Although Florida just racked up a W that is more impressive than anything USC has done all year ... but fine, it's subjective.

But to say they are #1 in the coutry is the same as saying you are a homer and logic is secondary to representing the avitar. I mean #1 ... last chance for a free pass to join us here on the side of logic.

What's LVSC?

[PIMking]

The boosters in southern Cal will just have to pay the players a little bit more so that they try agianst teams like oregon state...

Florida would destroy the prima donnas in LA. oh boy we have a couple of guys that run a 4.3 40 floridas whole offense and defence runs 4.3's

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The boosters in southern Cal will just have to pay the players a little bit more so that they try agianst teams like oregon state...

Florida would destroy the prima donnas in LA. oh boy we have a couple of guys that run a 4.3 40 floridas whole offense and defence runs 4.3's

yea, that's pretty much why the SEC is just better. The west coast doesn't produce the quality of players that the south and Texas does. California has some good programs and lots of great players ... certianly the reason SC does well, but CA recruits travel well and scatter themselves around the country.

Texas players stay in the BigXII, and for the most part stay in Texas (or Oklahoma).

Players in the South stay in the south. They play ball all year long, in a culture that is football, football, football. 14 year old club teams there have their own planes and play other club teams 8 months of the year. On the west coast they play football then they surf and lay back, it's a very different culture around sports so I just can't see the PAC10 ever being on the same level as SEC or even the BigXII.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Not Oregon State. Couldn't beat them. I like the right now qualifier to ignore that they were no match for the mighty beavers just a few weeks ago. But that is a wart that cannot be denied. I mean, come on.

If not for a lucky deflection OSU would have lost the game so I think that USC was a pretty good match for them.

The explination on the Ole Miss loss is that Ole Miss is a better program than OSU. It seems you think that road vs home games is a HUGE deal with all the CAPS. If that's the case, then the Ohio State win was no big deal right?

If they are better and that is an if, it certainly isn't by much.

Playing a top ten team at home should be considered a little differently than a mediocre nobody team.

But if someone wants to say USC appears to be better than Florida ... fine, that's one thing. Although Florida just racked up a W that is more impressive than anything USC has done all year ... but fine, it's subjective.

That win is no more impressive than the Ohio State win. I can see how people would say that Florida is better it is too hard to tell with them not playing each other. I think USC is the better team personally but can see how people would be fooled into liking Florida.

[moon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The boosters in southern Cal will just have to pay the players a little bit more so that they try agianst teams like oregon state...

Florida would destroy the prima donnas in LA. oh boy we have a couple of guys that run a 4.3 40 floridas whole offense and defence runs 4.3's

Oh ya the SEC has a strong history of running clean programs, no BS going on down there.

USC sure has a bunch of slugs on their team. What ever would they do if they had to face the "fast" Florida team. My guess is they would use their own 4.3 guys if need be.

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

yea, that's pretty much why the SEC is just better. The west coast doesn't produce the quality of players that the south and Texas does. California has some good programs and lots of great players ... certianly the reason SC does well, but CA recruits travel well and scatter themselves around the country.

Texas players stay in the BigXII, and for the most part stay in Texas (or Oklahoma).

Players in the South stay in the south. They play ball all year long, in a culture that is football, football, football. 14 year old club teams there have their own planes and play other club teams 8 months of the year. On the west coast they play football then they surf and lay back, it's a very different culture around sports so I just can't see the PAC10 ever being on the same level as SEC or even the BigXII.

USC has done a fine job of producing and recruiting players. They routinely have a top five recruiting class and they destroy every other team when it comes to producing NFL talent.

I don't disagree with your argument that the SEC and Big 12 are better than the PAC 10, no matter how many times you try to make that my argument, and I have no disagreement that those conference get better players overall than the PAC 10, but USC is the exception in both cases.

They will not have a problem with speed or talent in facing any of the SEC/Texas schools. They get and produce as much if not more top end talent.

[Flames in 07]

That's fine Moon, if nothing else USC and Florida are close. I personally think about a dozen teams could be one loss teams with SC's schedule, and Florida has more quality wins than SC. And who knows unless Ole Miss plays the beavers how could we know who is better between those two. About 118 teams and 12 games on the schedule forces this kind of subjectivity and that is fun to debate.

My main point that should be very basic is that SC is not the best team in the country the way someone else on here thinks.

SC had a free path to the NC, the voters had rolled out the red carpet for SC, they beat what turns out to be a very overrated Buckeye team that had their best offensive player on the sideline ... and that's about it on their schedule. And they couldn't pull it off. A National Champion caliber team should. So I have no pity for SC, maybe next year.

[transplant99]

My main point that should be very basic is that SC is not the best team in the country the way someone else on here thinks.

Really? I said that?

I said i think USC plays anyone in the country RIGHT NOW and COULD beat them.....do you not think so? Its one game.....anything can happen. They are a very good team, whether you like it or not.

Its funny you know....Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, hell even Joe paterno have ZERO idea how the BSC system works but two of them agree it doesnt. A playoff system would end ALL arguments...but being that this is college ball, it cant happen for some reason. Its the only sport in the Western civilization that doesnt have a playoff system...but thats OK. Wehave computers and writers to decide! Yippeeeeee!

Its acomplete and utter joke year after year.

[rubecube]

Well tranny, you might get your wish anyways. I really don't see Tech or Penn St staying undefeated. One of Florida or Bama will have to lose, so we could potentially see a USC/Bama or a USC/Florida BCS game.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well tranny, you might get your wish anyways. I really don't see Tech or Penn St staying undefeated. One of Florida or Bama will have to lose, so we could potentially see a USC/Bama or a USC/Florida BCS game.

Actually i dont think USC deserves to be in a NC game at this point, not what I am arguing at all.

I just have a fundamental problem with a system that sees a team ranked at #5 on Saturday morning....goes out wins its game 56-0 that evening, and then Sunday morning sees itself as #7 in the country. That means in the course of 24 hours two other teams became better even though USC did exactly what it was supposed to do to at least stay where they were. There is a serious flaw in such a system. essentially they were penalized for winning. Just wrong on every level.

Hell...never mind that, but Texas Tech climbed 5 spots with one win. I dont EVER remember that happening before. Was it a great game and a tremendous win? Of course...it was a classic. But how that translates into the shuffle that occurred is nothing short of bizarre.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Actually i dont think USC deserves to be in a NC game at this point, not what I am arguing at all.

I just have a fundamental problem with a system that sees a team ranked at #5 on Saturday morning....goes out wins its game 56-0 that evening, and then Sunday morning sees itself as #7 in the country. That means in the course of 24 hours two other teams became better even though USC did exactly what it was supposed to do to at least stay where they were. There is a serious flaw in such a system. essentially they were penalized for winning. Just wrong on every level.

Hell...never mind that, but Texas Tech climbed 5 spots with one win. I dont EVER remember that happening before. Was it a great game and a tremendous win? Of course...it was a classic. But how that translates into the shuffle that occurred is nothing short of bizarre.

No it does not, it means the previous rankings were wrong and a weeks worth of games help people reevaluate each teams schedule. This thinking and the concept of pre season rankings are the worst things in college football. If you want a playoff that is one thing, but there is only 12 games, people who vote should be able to look back at the prior week and say I over or under valued someone based on what I saw this week.

USC beating the Buckeyes is a perfect example. USC talks about how they beat a top 5 team, or whatever they were ranked. They were not a top 5 team and we know that now, we should be able to go back and say actually that win was nice, but not as big a deal as we thought.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Really? I said that?

I said i think USC plays anyone in the country RIGHT NOW and COULD beat them.....do you not think so? Its one game.....anything can happen. They are a very good team, whether you like it or not.

Its funny you know....Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, hell even Joe paterno have ZERO idea how the BSC system works but two of them agree it doesnt. A playoff system would end ALL arguments...but being that this is college ball, it cant happen for some reason. Its the only sport in the Western civilization that doesnt have a playoff system...but thats OK. Wehave computers and writers to decide! Yippeeeeee!

Its acomplete and utter joke year after year.

Well JoPa doesn't know much about what goes on around him so I'm just going to put him to the side. The others are lying. I know how it works, I have a pretty good idea of how the computers work, and we all know how the polls work, so they are just lying and grandstanding.

Pete Carroll wouldn't be whining into micraphones if he had beat Oregon State. He has the easiest path of all the top tier teams and he blew it. It's quite simple, win your games, and your very likely in. Lose ... like he did to a nothing team then your on the outside looking in hoping for a shot. The bigger or more elaborate a playoff or NC structure is, the less important a regular season and other bowls are. If you are into an elaborate scheme to sort out a team who isn't nessesarily the best, but is certainly hot at the right time ... and has a completely unimportant regular season, then follow NCAA basketball.

[transplant99]

No it does not, it means the previous rankings were wrong and a weeks worth of games help people reevaluate each teams schedule.

But the BCS rankings are never wrong....right?

The others are lying.

really eh? OK then.

Pete Carroll wouldn't be whining into micraphones if he had beat Oregon State

.

Whining? He was asked a question and answered it...but then again I tbhought he was "lying" according to you. WHich is it?

The bigger or more elaborate a playoff or NC structure is, the less important a regular season and other bowls are

Nonsense. How much more elaborate can the BCS system be? And regular season games still mean just as much as ever....again if you dont win em, you dont make the playoff. Seems to work for every other organized sport in North America.

Take USC out of the picture...and lets use Florida. Do you disagree that they are one of the best teams in the country, regardless of losing at home to an unranked conference opponent? I sure think they are. Same with Oklahoma. But should Bama Penn State and TT all win out....then niether is going to be considered for a title. Thats a shame. Those kids and programs deserve better than that IMO.

Guess what would solve that problem?