Superbowl Thread: New England Patriots vs New York Giants

[Clever_Iggy]

An incredible last 10 minutes made up for the worst Superbowl I've ever seen. A defensive snoozer...which is exactly what the Giants needed.

Kudos to the Giants, their defensive coordinator and Manning for overcoming a ton of criticism in his career.

Eli 1 - Chargers (Rivers) 0

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

An incredible last 10 minutes made up for the worst Superbowl I've ever seen. A defensive snoozer...which is exactly what the Giants needed.

Kudos to the Giants, their defensive coordinator and Manning for overcoming a ton of criticism in his career.

Eli 1 - Chargers (Rivers) 0

I don't understand how you thought that was a snoozer? Football games aren't meant to be 49-42. Sure they didn't put up points but that was an exciting game with all the 3 and longs each team had. That was one of the best SB's i've watched in terms of excitement.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

An incredible last 10 minutes made up for the worst Superbowl I've ever seen. A defensive snoozer...which is exactly what the Giants needed.

Kudos to the Giants, their defensive coordinator and Manning for overcoming a ton of criticism in his career.

Eli 1 - Chargers (Rivers) 0

I think that was one of the best ones in quite a while. A great battle that literally went down to the final seconds.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

what school do you coach at? are you the head coach or a coordinator?

Defensive Co-ordinator at Forrest Lawn

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Can anyone tell me why the Pats went for the 4th and 12 in the 3rd quarter? instead of the FG, that still has me scratching my head. It was in their kickers range too.

We've discussed in this forum before how missed FG's change momentum and games. NE is up 7-3. The Giants have done nothing in their last 4-5 drives. Why give them a shot in the arm by missing a 49 yard FG and giving them the ball on the 39? You go for it on 4th and 13.. if you don't make it they get the ball on the 32 which isn't so bad. If you make it, it absolutely kills the Giants.

It's a risk/reward thing that does make sense. The Giants didn't gain any momentum and has to punt themselves. So in the long run I don't think it had any impact on the game. Games are played according to the current score. You can't take the total and add 3 to it and say it would have gone to overtime.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by troutman

Means nothing? Bull. I take great satisfaction in what NE did. Nothing to be ashamed of. A very special season, that will be remembered by not only Pat fans.

Was the Flames run in 2004 "not special"?

Sorry I completely disagree with you on this. But running up 18 wins in a row to lose to the lowest seeded team to ever win the SuperBowl soils the season in a big way. They won't be known as anything but a dominant team that couldn't win the only game that really counts when your that dominant.

And its different from the Flames run in 2004, The Flames in 2004 would be equivalent to the Giants if they had lost the game today. The Plucky physical team without a lot of offense who beat the crap out of teams that they had no business beating. The difference is that the Giants won and the Flames lost.

[transplant99]

18-1...great season but when that 1 is the last one, the season means jack. Especially to this group who have had only one goal all year and that was to get another ring...anything short of that and it was a failure in their eyes

I guess the old adage "Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships" can be trotted out again.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I don't understand how you thought that was a snoozer? Football games aren't meant to be 49-42. Sure they didn't put up points but that was an exciting game with all the 3 and longs each team had. That was one of the best SB's i've watched in terms of excitement.

I agree. An excellent battle. The game was so good I hardly noticed the commercials!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

We've discussed in this forum before how missed FG's change momentum and games. NE is up 7-3. The Giants have done nothing in their last 4-5 drives. Why give them a shot in the arm by missing a 49 yard FG and giving them the ball on the 39? You go for it on 4th and 13.. if you don't make it they get the ball on the 32 which isn't so bad. If you make it, it absolutely kills the Giants.

It's a risk/reward thing that does make sense. The Giants didn't gain any momentum and has to punt themselves. So in the long run I don't think it had any impact on the game. Games are played according to the current score. You can't take the total and add 3 to it and say it would have gone to overtime.

Wouldn't it have been better for the Pats to have punted the ball, at the worst they kick it through the end zone and the Giants start at the 20. With the way that the Giants offense was going against the Pats defense, if they had managed to pin the Giants inside of the 10 and then stopped them, the Pats get the ball on their own 40 and get the short field, or if the Pats give it to them at the 20 and stop them, then they get the ball on their own 30 and still have the short field.

It was the wrong time to gamble, and they really gave the Giants defense a shot in the arm.

[OILFAN #81]

I could watch that Tyree catch over and over. I've watched it on PVR like 10 times. The best catch considering the time and place i've ever seen.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I could watch that Tyree catch over and over. I've watched it on PVR like 10 times. The best catch considering the time and place i've ever seen.

...not to mention the awful toss. heckuva catch.

[KTown]

I do feel bad for the Pats fans cause now they get to put up with more of the 72 dolphin crap.

I'm a huge fan as everyone can tell, but I think it's overhyped. The pats this year are just as good as that 72 team.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Krack Korn

That's the only part of this I don't like. We still have to hear those ######bag '72 Dolphins and their fans crow about having the only perfect season. It wouldn't bother me if some of them weren't so damn arrogant about it.

Oh well, way to go Giants!!

You know what the media is what makes you hear about it. If the media didn't say anything the old geezers would just pop there champagne and move on, but the media says it all the time.

Don't blame the 72 fins and there fans BLAME THE MEDIA!

[browna]

Interesting game for sure.

Brady and Welker the only Patriots who earned any respect out there...the Giants had more unsung heros come up and make plays, where the Pats only had two guys.

As much as I like Brady, can' feel sorry for idiots like Belichek, and the sellout Seau.

As soon as Tyree made that catch, you pretty much could see where this was going. Incredible to have the hand/arm/wrist strength to hold onto a football as your falling with two guys arms in there too.

I actually didn't mind the Giants as the season wore down, but only since they lost that idiot Shockey. The Giants would be smart to ditch that guy...every broadcast the past years, they were transfixed on the guy watching him Hulk out or snap or be a drama queen...and each week it was him sounding off and whining and complaining in the press about this or that. Conicidence that the team seemed to pull it together when he was removed from the equation? Same goes for Tiki Barber.

Maybe Shockey and Tiki can do a relatity show where they whine and complain for all the episodes...this win loooks great on Manning for his defense of himself afer the garbage comments Barber made about him at the beginning of the year.

More respect for both Manning's too...Eli of course in doing what he needed to do to make plays when it really mattered and not getting flustered for the rest of the game as he sees only 7 points on the board. Very poised and calm. A new respect for Peyton too...he looked happier for this win then his own last year.

Plus a little credit has to go out to Hufnagel...he started Manning out on the right foot...and would be a Superbowl champion if the NY press wasn't so hellbent in being out for blood after the average season the Giants had last year, and Coughlin had to cut someone at Christmas to save his own skin going into the offseason last year.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

...not to mention the awful toss. heckuva catch.

considering what Manning went through just to get rid of the football, i think it was a pretty good throw

[Dion]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wouldn't it have been better for the Pats to have punted the ball, at the worst they kick it through the end zone and the Giants start at the 20. With the way that the Giants offense was going against the Pats defense, if they had managed to pin the Giants inside of the 10 and then stopped them, the Pats get the ball on their own 40 and get the short field, or if the Pats give it to them at the 20 and stop them, then they get the ball on their own 30 and still have the short field.

It was the wrong time to gamble, and they really gave the Giants defense a shot in the arm.

Always wondered what would have happened if Adam Vinateri was still with the Pats. He might have been the difference. Who knows.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

considering what Manning went through just to get rid of the football, i think it was a pretty good throw

you do? it's one thing to avoid the sack (which was incredible), but he got himself into a great spot to throw and launched it way up into the air with all kinds of time for the pats to get under it. he's really lucky that an all-world catch was made.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wouldn't it have been better for the Pats to have punted the ball, at the worst they kick it through the end zone and the Giants start at the 20. With the way that the Giants offense was going against the Pats defense, if they had managed to pin the Giants inside of the 10 and then stopped them, the Pats get the ball on their own 40 and get the short field, or if the Pats give it to them at the 20 and stop them, then they get the ball on their own 30 and still have the short field.

It was the wrong time to gamble, and they really gave the Giants defense a shot in the arm.

I agree. Punt would have been better than a FG attempt.
I think the Pats really wanted to put the game away with a touchdown. A bit of arrogance perhaps.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I don't understand how you thought that was a snoozer? Football games aren't meant to be 49-42. Sure they didn't put up points but that was an exciting game with all the 3 and longs each team had. That was one of the best SB's i've watched in terms of excitement.

Wow, I couldnt disagree more. I thought several of the past 8 were better. Neither team could get in a rhythm, the game was drawn out for the first half (only about 5 possessions total) and other than the Tyree catch (one of the craziest plays ever) there wasnt anything spectacular.

A game with lots of talent but no chance to showcase it - credit to the giants defense (who should have gotten the MVP... any D-lineman).

[Jiggy_12]

Great superbowl.

What more could you want? Nothing better than last minute dramatics, especially with the way this ended.

Eli Manning's great escape and Tyree's catch is something you will see replayed for years to come. Good game.