Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[spiteface]

Don't mix up anti-semitic with anti-zionist. All that's come from them is hatred and a growing need to take over teh entire middle east.

[spiteface]

Anti-semitic

[spiteface]

What I love is ppl actually give Azure credibility and he/she claims that everybody else doesn't know **** all. Buddy i'd love to see you in the middle of it all and how we would'nt hear a peep from you.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Don't mix up anti-semitic with anti-zionist. All that's come from them is hatred and a growing need to take over teh entire middle east.

Are you saying Israel is trying to take over the middle east? With help from the USA I assume??

If so, what would that agenda include exactly?

[spiteface]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Are you saying Israel is trying to take over the middle east? With help from the USA I assume??

If so, what would that agenda include exactly?

Read up on Zionist.

Tell me what you think of the USA so far in conquering Iraq, Afghanistan, and now their sticking their noses in Iran/Syria. They already control all of the Arabian Gulf, who are mere puppets to the them (ie oil for cheap). Egypt and Jordan are practical sell-outs. What's left for the US to "liberate"?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You know to return some civility to this board, and to defend Azure, I haven't seen any real pronouncement of a hatred for Arabs, if I missed something in what is becoming a very long string I apologize, but I'm not seeing it.

Maybe not blatent hatred, but a complete shrug of the shoulders when it comes to innocent arab lives is a recurring theme.
Even the CANADIAN casualties aren't getting much sympathy due to the fact they are arab-canadians.

I would say a complete disreguard for human life, boarders on hate.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Azure

Difference being, I don't go around sprouting crap about something I know NOTHING about.

You have done it for 7 pages now.
How do you always have absolute truths in matters of opinion?

[transplant99]

Tell me what you think of the USA so far in conquering Iraq,

According to most...that simply hasn't happened....well at least according to the left. They say its a bigger mess than was possible....yet you are claiming it done. Which is it?

Afghanistan,

The US had every conceivable right to go to war with them. Where do you think the 9/11 conspirators got the training and resoources to carry out what happened? Oh...i forgot, that never really happened and it was a controlled demolition on the one of the worlds most highly guarded buildings...and same thing at the pentagon.

Got it.

and now their sticking their noses in Iran/Syria

They are?

If you say so.

They already control all of the Arabian Gulf, who are mere puppets to the them (ie oil for cheap).

You're not saying that independant countries with a commodity to sell to their biggest buyer...are puppets are you?

Funny thing here....by a HUGE margin the one country that supplies more oil to the USA more than anybody else? Canada.

Damn...maybe Harper is a Bush lackey!! But then so were Martin and Cretian right?

Egypt and Jordan are practical sell-outs.

Practical sell outs?


I thought being practical was what most people wanted? Again...Im lost.

What's left for the US to "liberate"?

Well..clearly..... Canada...they have more oil.


Beyond that...Iran has a bunch....Syria has its share as well. Yet Im pretty darn sure they havent seen a US rocket in years.

Just...you know....using common sense and facts. Sorry to disrupt.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You have done it for 7 pages now.
How do you always have absolute truths in matters of opinion?

The same way you do I would assume.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The same way you do I would assume.

I guess I'll respond since I wasn't able to put you on ignore.

Please show me anywhere in this thread, where I've offered anything but my opinion or told someone they had no right to offer their opinion.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by spiteface

You my friend are biased towards the Israeli cause and you think that anything they do is justified. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization? And you're not another robot to the system eh... Label everything like you're used to hearing from the news don't ya. HIzbollah has freed Lebanon's south in 2000 and continues to battel for the Shebaa Farms. Now tell me this, who's the terrorist? 250 Dead to 20 Dead? No questions asked. Why do you always mask everything and justify it as do the media outlets. Is it safe from your perspective or are you a coward to face the truth.

Although not directed at me, I find this comment quite telling. You would accuse someone else of BIAS after just admitting that you had friends in Lebanon? You, amigo, are in no position to talk.

Nobody is truly "unbiased," but there are some who have no direct stake in the conflict (that's me)...and then there are people like you who are right ****ed off because your friends were getting bombs thrown at them.

So...are you willing to admit that you *might* have a little bit of bias for some reason? Or are you a perfectly objective observer? Perhaps one of few objective observers who saw the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon for what it really was...a triumph for Hezbollah?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I guess I'll respond since I wasn't able to put you on ignore.

Please show me anywhere in this thread, where I've offered anything but my opinion or told someone they had no right to offer their opinion.

OK

You have done it for 7 pages now.

So his opinion is somehow not as valid as yours?

Nevermind dozens of other threads, (recall a World Cup thread by chance?) where someone else offered up an opinion you didn't agree with and you resorted to the BS you are so good at?

Hypocrite of epic proportions....in my opinion only of course.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I would say a complete disreguard for human life, boarders on hate.

I have a complete disregard for the life of pretty much any person I don't personally know, or otherwise have warm fuzzy feelings for. I don't hate them...I just don't give a rat's ass one way or another.

As for the Canadians...maybe it's not that they were Arab, but that they were voluntarily present in a country that was unstable, and partially run by an organization of loonies with militaristic tendencies.

Edit: let's clarify...I wouldn't run down an old lady in a crosswalk, but if someone else did that very thing in a country halfway around the world, I really wouldn't care.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Dont even start with the name-calling game. I just picked up my friends from the airport who fled the country in disbelief. YOU have no room to speak unless you've been there and felt what demolition they were undergoing. You speak from a safe persepective from your little house in Calgary or Canada or whatever.

This is what is happening: The US is the bully in town. Israel is its little rich friend. The arab countries are the ones that don't take **** from the bullies. The USA wants to get into Syria/Iran, and this was perfect timing for Israel to set things up.

Who suffers... Lebanon. The country coming out of a massive civil war and its aftermath. How the hell do ppl let Israel get away with what it is doing? Isn't that terrorism? Tell me who in their right mind can go in and literally bring down an entire nation in a matter of 5 days?

You mean to tell me, that the all might Israel can't take out a minor group such as Hizbollah? You my friend are biased towards the Israeli cause and you think that anything they do is justified. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization? And you're not another robot to the system eh... Label everything like you're used to hearing from the news don't ya. HIzbollah has freed Lebanon's south in 2000 and continues to battel for the Shebaa Farms. Now tell me this, who's the terrorist? 250 Dead to 20 Dead? No questions asked. Why do you always mask everything and justify it as do the media outlets. Is it safe from your perspective or are you a coward to face the truth.

He speaks from a country that doesn't support terrosit organizations like Hezbollah. Your just as crazy as Lanny buddy. Israel did not set up the kidnapping of its soldiars by both Hamas and Hezbollah and then ask them to start fireing missles willy nilly into their country.

I agree with you that Lebanon is kind of stuck in the middle. They are trying to build a democracy but they are also responsible for these groups that operate in their country. If they cannot manage themselves they should be asking the UN for help not Syria.

Israel has a right to defend its self and if Lebanon cannot stop the terrorists from shootin missles over the border and kidnapping members of their military then they have a right to stop it themselves.

As for Israel not being able to crush Hezbollah. First you dont want them to enter Lebanon then Israel should be able to crush them in days. The USA can't stop terrorists in IRAQ and you think Israel should be able to stop Hezzbollah. It's called Guarilla warfare. These terorists hide all their weapons in civilian houses and work underground. Think about it.
That is why there is 200 dead compared to 20. If you want to blame these deaths on anyone maybe you should be asking Hezbollah why they are hiding all thier weapons in these places and firing missles from residential areas. If Israel wanted they could carpet bomb the entire city and be done with them.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So his opinion is somehow not as valid as yours?

His opinions are valid. The part where he tells others they have no right to voice their opinions is invalid.

Nevermind dozens of other threads, (recall a World Cup thread by chance?) where someone else offered up an opinion you didn't agree with and you resorted to the BS you are so good at?

Hypocrite of epic proportions....in my opinion only of course.

I had absolutely no problem with the differening opinions about the world cup, soccer etc. I even thanked Clarkey for starting a new thread about it and stated it was certainly worthy of discussion. How is this not allowing other opinions?
Perhaps you should take another look at that thread.
The only part I objected to was your drive by. And it had nothing to do with your opinion, only the way you presented it.
There were plenty of others that felt the same way too.

anyway, I don't want to ruin another thread by getting dragged into a ****ing match with you.

If that's what you want, find another taker.

This topic is too important to waste bickering with you.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

If they cannot manage themselves they should be asking the UN for help not Syria.

They have, and the US being the only nation in opposition to it, veto'd UN involvement.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Dont even start with the name-calling game. I just picked up my friends from the airport who fled the country in disbelief.

Airport? Excuse me for asking, but I thought all the aiports in Lebanon were shut down, and that the Canadian/American or any foreign government was doing the extraction by military forces.

??

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

They have, and the US being the only nation in opposition to it, veto'd UN involvement.

They didnt ask for help until after the situation exploded. I am talking about years ago when they should have taken control of Hezbollah and didn't. Of course they don't want international help now (US or Israel) because then they wouldn't beable to attack Hezbollah. It would be just another complete waste of time and money.

They have had a small contingent of UN ofrces in Lebanon since 1982 and that force did NOTHING to contraol Hezbollah. Infact, they were actually scared of them and pretty much turned a blind eye.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

They have, and the US being the only nation in opposition to it, veto'd UN involvement.

They asked for help? Or they asked for Israel to quit with the attacks?

If Lebanon would have been really concerned about Hezballah, since it has been obvious that Hezballah has one objective, and that is to eliminate Israel, Lebanon would have asked for help when Hezballah first set up shop. It has been at least 20 years now, and the UN STILL hasn't be asked to come help restore a proper government and get the terrorist organizations out of the country.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hezballah has been elected into the Lebanon government though, thats where I find reason to blame Lebanon for letting this become worse then it should be.

What? I thought Israel was the only democracy in the region? Or does it only count as a democracy when they people elect a group that meets the approval of western conservatives?

Ho-hum. It's all got me wondering though -- when some Lebanese kid who was made an orphan during this past week becomes a terrorist in 10 years and does something crazy, how many of us will still smile and nod when someone tells us he hates us for our freedoms?